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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 09:11
I would keep away from investing in APS-C bodies. I do not like the handling, it is just not the same as the newer A7 bodies.

AF wise; A9 of A7IV bodies seem the way forward. Maybe give it another year for prices to come down......
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 17:06
Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

I would keep away from investing in APS-C bodies. I do not like the handling, it is just not the same as the newer A7 bodies.
That is very personal. Like I said, I love my A6x00 cameras. I would hate it if Sony puts an aps-c sensor in an A7 body - some people asked for that....

But, the bodies are different from A7 cameras - so, yes, make sure that you like it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 17:47
Originally posted by Coast Coast wrote:


Basically what I'm saying, it makes no sense having a crop camera and using FE lenses and adapters

I'd put it the other way. Even if you have only APS-C lenses the A7Rii to iv make sense, because they're fine cameras which work well on APS-C. For example, if you like wide and UW and don't want to carry several lenses with you, the Sony 10-18mm f4 is a superbly compact solution - there isn't anything in FF with that range that isn't at least twice the weight and twice the volume. And at the long end, to improve on the resolution of the better APS-C zooms you need a very big and expensive FE lens. Sure, it will have a wider aperture, but you pay for that in multiple ways.
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Well, after not seeing any used A9 for sales here in months, 4 turn up in 10 days!

Long story short, I’ve won an auction for a used a9 with a battery grip, about 2000 (mechanical) actuations. All the firmware issued for the A9 seems to have produced a lot of improvements that offset its older design.

I know it doesn’t have bird eye detection but from what I can see, that hasn’t stopped a lot of wildlife photographers getting a lot of great flying bird shots
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2022 at 10:38
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

[QUOTE=Coast]
Even if you have only APS-C lenses the A7Rii to iv make sense, because they're fine cameras which work well on APS-C.

Perhaps worth noting that the A7Riv is the highest resolution APS-C camera Sony make.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hezu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2022 at 11:07
Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

I know it doesn’t have bird eye detection but from what I can see, that hasn’t stopped a lot of wildlife photographers getting a lot of great flying bird shots
Yeah, I have hardly any experience with α9, but I am fairly confident that it can work reasonably well with flying birds even without bird eye focusing, certainly it will make easier to follow and shoot flying subjects since there is no viewfinder blackout.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2022 at 12:37
What a lousy camera that A9, without bird-eye-AF. Sony is the worst. The A1 doesn't even have car dedicated AF. No wonder Dpreview rates it worst among the current flagship cameras. Sony s*cks. You must be stupid to get a Sony camera.

Oh, wait, this is not SAR. Sorry.



People photographed birds in flight with manual focus lenses - usually with trap focus I think. It is much easier now, the A9 AF will be an improvement over the A7r3 - though with less cropping capabilities. Enjoy it!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2022 at 13:14
Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

Perhaps worth noting that the A7Riv is the highest resolution APS-C camera Sony make.
, you're absolutely right Phil, the APS-C crop of the A7iv is ~28 MP, better than any A6xxx APS-C body.

I even use my A7Rii that way with APS-C lenses, the APS-C crop of that one is ~18 MP, which is better than my NEX6 and way beyond my A700, which already had more pixels than I usually needed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fivepin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2022 at 13:33
Ok, I'm late to the party here, but I own and use both the a7r3 as my main camera and have been running the a6600 for 2 years now as my apsc long lens companion when in the field. I don't change lenses. The a7r3 for wide or detail shots...the a6600 for long lens or macro work.

So I did not read all of the other posts here because I want to give you facts only.
1. Yes the Autofocus is in fact much faster and locks on better than the a7r3. Even though I do not find the A7r3 to be any slouch.
2. The a6600 with sony lenses has a keeper rate of birds in flight over 95%...my experience only. With proper settings and 20 years experience I can very easily get the shot with this camera. I would say the A7r3 is probably closer to 90%...but is still excellent.
3. The low light performance is still very good, the pixel count is very good and so is detail. The a6600 sensor captures more detail than both my a77ii and my original a99. Hence in macro work it is killer sharp and detailed.
4. If you own any good old Minolta glass the la ea5 works with the a6600. Something to think about. Also TC's will AF with this camera as well as the a7r3 much better than both my old a77, a77ii and a99
5. The a6600 has in body stabilization. It works in conjunction with your in lens stabilization. It is great for photos...nothing special for video. I was actually disappointed in the in body stabilization for video...
6.Things I don't like about the a6600...LCD resolution...looking at it you would think your photos are going to be rubbish...they are fine...its the low resolution on the lcd. No popup flash. In body stabilization is poo poo for video.
7. Great things summary. PRICE, image quality, AF Capability, small light weight as a second camera, laea5 compatibility (if you own any classic minolta lenses they work great). Pet eye AF, 4K video, Weather sealing that is pretty good, lots of customization of buttons and I own the 200, 70 - 200's (sigma hsm) APSC field of view 1.4x crop factor for birds and other wildlife...

Hope this helps. I really have weighed all the other options and just couldn't justify dropping $5000 Canadian on an a9 or a9ii. The megapixel count on the a7r4 was just too much...in the end this for me was the best solution.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2022 at 15:34
Well, you basically describe my experience with the A6400, Gary I would add the EVF on the negative side: passable but noticeably less good then my A7r4.

My A7r4 (and A7r2) feel bulky compared to my A6x00 cameras. That is why I use my One-Mount system basically as a Two-Mount system

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@Fivepin

Many thanks for that summary. One of the challenges is that there is no stock of the a6600 in many NZ camera stores at the moment. It's ability to use the LA-EA5 is a good selling point also. Not that in my case, it would be relevant. The only A-mount lens I own now, is the 135mm STF . Good to know it does do much better at autofocus than the a7Riii.

The A9 camera plus grip I did end up buying was $NZ3000, which is about $US2000, and only $NZ350 more than a new a6600. It looked to be in near perfect condition with not even the slight-cosmetic wear often seen on used A9s.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 4paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 February 2022 at 18:12
Congrats on the a9!

I genuinely need new gear, but haven't spent money yet, which is silly because my demands and expectations are unreasonable for the market, even though I think I am completely reasonable.

I am enraged that Sony took TEN YEARS to make a full-frame nex7. I have read others here on dyxum say the wheel layout and rangefinder styling of the nex7 was the best, and I agree, certainly for manual lenses. With electronic control I can only change one item at a time; with manual lenses on the nex7 I could roll focus with my left index finger, spin the aperture with my left middle finger, and with my right thumb spin one wheel for shutter speed or ISO, so I could change two legs of the exposure triangle simultaneously, and I had instant control of all three legs. With electronic control the camera will not respond simultaneously to wheels (so front-aperture and rear-shutter control is independent but not simultaneous), and a button press is an extra step which locks out other controls, including focus assist, and pressing the shutter half way to focus cancels the current operation, requiring another button press and spinning.

Addy has said the a6000 sold more units than any other Sony interchangeable lens camera, and the form factor, I think, is almost ideal. Fivepin's analysis seems very good. I am also enraged at Sony's lack of firmware updates for the EA5, so the a6600 with full EA5 screw-drive support is very attractive to me.

I haven't gotten a Monster Adapter EA4r because I have a a7ii, which there have been reports of the a7ii main board shorting out when someone changes lenses with the camera powered on. I THINK I am disciplined enough not to change lenses with the camera on, but the penalty for a mistake is so severe I haven't modified my EA4 yet ... Which means I am using the a55 focus module (the EA2 used the a55 focus module, I hope the EA4 uses a later focus module, but my a68 has much better focus than EA4 on a7ii, so I suspect the EA4 PDAF array is very old), so the EA4r/EA5 would be a spectacular improvement.

From what I have read the Sony Animal Bird Eye AF is almost as good as Canon, and like Fivepin said is >90% bang on, which is unbelievably amazing. I have tried the silver 70-400 with EA2/4 and nex5n (LOL) and as long as I am disciplined in supporting entirely with my left hand it actually works hand-held, so while sports/wildlife cameras are supposed to be big (Olympus made the EM1x as huge as a FF camera) I don't mind the form factor.

In fact, as long as there are C1/C2/C3 buttons, I change settings LESS when shooting action than landscape / "general photography" ... it cracks me up that people think landscape shooting is "slow", I work a lot harder changing settings for landscape than I do action, as long as I have custom buttons I can save the "motion blur" panning settings or "bird under a dark bush" setting, action for me is "set and forget". So I don't really miss all the buttons on a smaller body like a65/6600.

Although I am also enraged at Sony's tilt screen ... a twist-out screen is the perfect "workflow", if the screen is out then I'm using the screen and the viewfinder is off, and if I have the screen turned in to the body then I am using the VF and it is on. At least the a68 has a dedicated "FINDER/MONITOR" button on the VF hump, but even that is stupid compared to the twist-to-stow design.

I will probably get a rx10iv since I have taken more pictures with a Panasonic FZ1000 (or rx100ii before I got it) than with the traditional styled cameras, though the screen and button layouts enrage me. I have been waiting for Panasonic or Olympus to update the FZ2500 or make something new to compete with the rx10, but I've waited so long it appears the rx10iv is the only Bridge Superzoom left.

That's rx10iv instead of the a7c, so ironically after waiting for so long for the FF nex7 I'll probably keep using the nex5n (with the external top viewfinder) as my tiny camera. If the a7c had two right-side thumbwheels like the nex7 I probably would have run to the store the day it arrived, since it has a twist-out screen. But I can't have everything LOL.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 February 2022 at 23:20
@4paul

Ah yes, there's always tradeoffs and sometimes they can be unacceptable.
I'm a big fan of customising the camera for you own shooting styles too, and the C1 through C4 buttons are perfect for that. As well as being able to reassign functions to the AEL button etc.

Because I do a lot of manual focus with landscapes/seascapes and macro, I've got the C1 button permanently set for focus magnification. It's great for checking the focus plane.

Albeit to date, the longest part of my landscape and seascape photos is figuring out where to stand...

The Memory Recall is also good- I use it to switch to my preferred video settings and back on the fly.

I think the a9 is a better fit than the a6600 for me (especially at the price). By all accounts it still focuses much faster on moving subjects, and I like the larger size to balance the heavier Tamron lens. Just a shame I can't hit 20fps with it.

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