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    Posted: 07 April 2023 at 18:41
I am wondering if other's here print their photos and if so, do you print in the Mac OS 13, Ventura?

All of my photo printing in the past was in Windows 10 from photo editors LrCC and On1 Photo Raw.

Last year I began migrating to an all Apple workflow and upgrading my old Windows 10 PC with a Mac Mini M1. That came with Mac OS Big Sur, unfortunately before I did any printing, I upgraded to Ventura.

I'm having issues printing that I haven't had before and they seem, according to reports I'm reading from others, to be bugs in the Ventura print module. Unfortunately, I can't get any help from Apple nor from Epson.

The issues (bugs?)
1: Print settings in the print settings and presets dialog are not saved and return to defaults on the next use.
2: This is the major problem for me. My prints don't look the same as my edited image on my calibrated monitor and soft proof. They look like the incorrect ICC profile has been used. The prints lack contrast and deep blacks. This is not the old "prints too dark" problem. My monitor is set to 80 cd/m2. Going back to my Windows Pc and using exactly the same print setup, my prints look the same as my soft proof on my calibrated monitor.

What I'm reading from various sources, is that others are having the same problems. And that these issues did not exist with previous Mac OS versions.

What gets me is that the Apple support person I contacted checked with a developer and that person said there are no reported issues with the print module. As for the print presets not saving, I first heard of this from Hudson Henry, a pro photographer who gave a heads up about this in an On1 Plus tutorial on Soft Proofing and Printing in On1 Photo Raw 2023. Hard to believe that Apple wouldn't know about these problems if even pros are experiencing them.

Of course I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong in my setup. I have gone through my setup procedure many times and made many test prints. In the process using a lot of paper and ink!

Is anyone else having these issues? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Kelly
 



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Hi Kelly,

It might be an idea to use Color Management in de printerdriver. (Just to try
as a workaround).

Normally the Color management is controlled by the application LrCC or On1, and
Color management in the printer is swiched off. But you can also have the printer
managing the colors, and if I am correct you can load ICC profiles in the printer driver, so you use thesame ones as in the application.

Assuming that Ventura needs a fix. Not sure why you cannot have any support from
Apple.

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Thank you Fred,

At first I thought I was doing something wrong, but others are having the same problems with Ventura. And considering that, I don't know why Apple seems to be oblivious to it! It seems like a problem with Apple and with Epson. Though I think people with Canon printers are also having trouble. The Ventura print module is really funky! Not at all like the print module in Windows. I've contacted Apple, Epson and On1 about this issue. Epson support was the worst. They wanted a screenshot of my printer's nozzle check -- a total waste of everyone's time. If prints are fine in Windows, the printer is fine including no clogged nozzles, which of course I always check, especially if the printer has not been used for a while.
I think these support people mainly get calls about home/office printing problems, and not for photo printers which require ICC profiles for the specific printer and paper type.

I haven't tried printing directly from the print driver. Not sure that will work correctly either but I suppose I should try it. I've found plenty of info on letting the print driver control the color in Windows but not in Mac Ventura. This all surprises me, as I expected these type of problems with windows, but not with Mac!

I'll post updates if Apple and Epson fix this, or if I find a way to sort it out! In the meantime I am saving photos to print on my NAS and will just boot up my Windows computer. Not convenient, but it works since my monitors are connected to both, and both systems are color calibrated. I just can't do much editing on Windows because my "pro" AMD graphics card is no longer supported with drivers and doesn't meet Adobe and On1 minimum requirements. There good video tutorials by Jose Rodriguez, Keith Cooper and others on the subject of inkjet photo printing.

Regards,

Kelly
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Hi Kelly,

What I ment is to set the Color Management to: Managed by printer, in Windows this
is done in your application (LrCC or On1). So not much to do with the operating system. (I have no knowledge about ventura OS, my guess was that it should work simular as Windows.)

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