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Post Options Post Options   Quote polossatik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 14:32
Originally posted by 3rd time lucky 3rd time lucky wrote:

I signed the petition.
I've never had any problems but this will change if things keep going the way they are. I can't believe that Met Police poster!

John


Then you might like some remixes of that Metro Police poster



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 14:57
"I'm just simply stating that I don't take that any more. I know it is worse in the UK and Australia but don't give up."

Bharnois - nowhere seems to be immune - go to - www.nycphotorights.com - and see what happens across the pond.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bonneville Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 15:58
Like most folk with more than a passing interest in photography, particularly in the UK, I too have been following the debate with interest, here and in AP.

And although I agree with the overwhelming reaction that is growing, the challenge for those whose role is to try and protect us all is one of balance. If I were up to no good and wanted to "case the joint" I wouldn't do it covertly with a secret, hidden, tiny camera phone as has been suggested, I would kit up as a geeky tourist festooned in cameras, lenses and silly hat. The best sort of camouflage is to be totally obvious. And for every ten thousand genuine tourists there just may be one fanatic gathering data to cause us all maximum harm. So I have some sympathy for the other side of the debate.

The real horror began with 9/11. I was on the East Coast of America on that dreadful day and spent those days confined to my hotel room watching the rolling news in disbelief. The turning point for me was when a flying instructor of one of the terroists was interviewed on TV and admitted that, with hindsight, it was strange that he had only wanted to be trained to take off and didn't want to do landings!!!! And that didn't seem strange at the time????

So the world will probably never be quite the same again, and public photography has sadly become one of the casualties I suppose.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 16:15
Originally posted by mgjsmith mgjsmith wrote:

On a recent trip to Liverpool, I was wandering around the station with my camera whilst waiting for my train. I was asked by two polite security men to stop taking photographs. When I pointed out the sign in the station stating that photography was permitted as long as photographs were not taken of security-related equipment, they said I would need to seek permission. When I asked for directions to this person I was told that they were not in work on saturday. I decided to stop fearing further problems. The daft thing is that I was taking a shot of a building outside the station through a glass panel. These guys were not interested in the fact that there was a sign giving permission to photograph. In addition to this example, I frequently get asked whilst wandering around towns and cities, what I am up to. I politely explain my interest and that usually does the drink. I do get funny looks quite often though, which does make one feel a little uneasy!. Martin


Train stations are private property, they can impose any rules they want. Photography is not allowed at most London mainline railway stations.
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As stated above, it happens frequently in the US too. I have been chased away many times while trying to photograph the Vincent Thomas bridge, even from public lands, because it has been deemed a possible terrorist target. Same was true while photographing a refinery at night from a walking path.

After some long conversations with a couple of the friendlier police officers, I found that they are not so concerned with the photog being the terrorist, but that they don't want high quality pictures on the internet available to possible terrorists.

It has come to the point where sometimes it is easier for me to get a shot with a cheesy P&S cam on a $5 tripod then it is for me to whip out the big gear.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 18:31
Bonneville - with the modern "surveillance equipment" available you can be as secretive as you like - "there are many ways to skin a cat" ( nothing against our feline friends ).

Artuk - not totally true. Network Rail permits photography providing a few basic rules like "making yourself known to the Station Manager" etc. are observed. They in fact encourage enthusiasts and amusingly enough suggest that their stations make good locations for filming.

The Underground is pretty similar except that they ( understandably ) do not permit flash photography or tripods.

How the self-appointed guardians behave can of course be a different matter.

www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php - might be worth reading as regards this subject.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote bharnois Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 19:17
Originally posted by Dinostrich Dinostrich wrote:

"I'm just simply stating that I don't take that any more. I know it is worse in the UK and Australia but don't give up."

Bharnois - nowhere seems to be immune - go to - www.nycphotorights.com - and see what happens across the pond.


Oh, don't I know it. I've visited that site before. Everybody should see it.

What I didn't state this morning is that I just had an incident yesterday in a public park. Joe Nobody confronted me and tried to say I couldn't take shots as there were kids in the park. I told him if he didn't like it to call the police and I'd wait for them to arrive. I then told him that when the police arrived I was going to have HIM arrested for harrassing me and then handed him my last copy of the Photog's Bill of Rights. He didn't call the police and let me be.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alanfrombangor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 19:44
Originally posted by Dinostrich Dinostrich wrote:

Network Rail permits photography providing a few basic rules like "making yourself known to the Station Manager" etc. are observed.

See guidelines for railway enthusiasts - it's not clear if they apply to a non-enthusiast who simply wants to photograph the architecture
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bharnois Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 19:46
Originally posted by polossatik polossatik wrote:

If someone wants to cause a stir , you can always borrow my 1000mm Russian tank.


I'm pretty sure Cyrillic on it will enhance the effect

It's all just so silly that if it was not that sad it would be funny.


How much to rent that sucker for a week?? I'm in the mood to cause trouble!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote polossatik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 00:25
Originally posted by bharnois bharnois wrote:

.. Joe Nobody confronted me and tried to say I couldn't take shots as there were kids in the park. ...


It's indeed pretty scary how cramped people are reacting, had something similar that really raised my eyebrows...
Weekend gathering at a place here, all people who know each other.
Of course there where some kids around, they see a big camera, want to have pictures of them with there friends.
So far no fuss. I spend 15 minutes shooting the kids until they lose interest, so I know they won't be bugging me anymore :)
First thing that happens afterwards is a dad (who knows me for about 10 years or so..) coming to me and asking on a rather suspicious tone what I'm going to do with those pictures???????????

I really felt like answering something like "strip all there clothes in fotoshop off and sell them for big $$$".
(Seen he's a whimp with pc's he might actually believed it and provoke a riot so I did not tell him this)

really, what's all the bl**dy fuss about taking a few snapshots of kids for god's sake? Fortunately his girlfriend (who has way more braincapacity) also came and simply asked to send out the link to her when they where online :)

But I was really stunned by his suspicious reaction...
I think people like that should watch less crime series on TV and do something useful in their life for a change.

Originally posted by bharnois bharnois wrote:


How much to rent that sucker for a week?? I'm in the mood to cause trouble!!


Anything for a good riot, but I suspect the UPS charges will be hefty :)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 02:10
I have always failed to understand why anyone would think that a street / park scene that includes fully clothed minors could possibly be of interest to "paedophiles".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RosieA100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 02:28
Any Aussies having trouble can now contact Monash University in Melbourne via this email address publicphoto@artdes.monash.edu and site any problems they have had, please include
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•    Your contact details (email and phone)
•    Your camera club affiliation
•    One scanned photo
•    Your story of photography restrictions (Max 1 page!)

- the title of their research is Defending Photographers’ Rights: Monash and ANU Researchers to Study Restrictions on Photography in Public, I hope this will do some good here
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Saratoga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 04:31
Have a google for (in quotes) "assault by photography"

One of the entries quote:

Assault by photography

Two Scottish photographers had had been charged with "assault by photography". The charges against Laurance Inglis of the Daily Record and Sunday Mail, and Angus Anderson, of the Dundee Courier, followed claims by a solicitor that he had been photographed against his wishes. The Law Society of Scotland described the charges as "unique".

And there is "Image, Persona & The Law" where it is mentioned too:

Image, Persona & The Law

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