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    Posted: 24 September 2018 at 19:17
I have an A7II and a Sigma 105mm marco lens (adapted). I want to use this set up to copy slides and 35mm negs.   I want to attach something like a Nikon ES1 slide copier. Can anyone advise a good pathway between the Sigma and the slide copier so I can focus correctly. Bellows, adapter rings?

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You don't need a sophisticated setup to get good results. As it happens, there's a current discussion of this at DPR where lots of DIY solutions of various levels of sophistication are presented. Heck, I can get a good result just propping a slide up on a table in front of a window and resting the camera (with a macro lens) in front of it.
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Oh ... the negatives could be a different story. It's harder to keep those flat without a purpose-built holder, and then you also have to correct for the orange colored base and inversion.
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Originally posted by marcz marcz wrote:

I have an A7II and a Sigma 105mm marco lens (adapted). I want to use this set up to copy slides and 35mm negs.   I want to attach something like a Nikon ES1 slide copier. Can anyone advise a good pathway between the Sigma and the slide copier so I can focus correctly. Bellows, adapter rings?

Thanks for the help
105mmm is probably too long for the ES1, that is designed for the 55 and 60 Micro Nikon. The 50 Macro is a little wider. Your lens will crop into the slide/negative.

Results are good, and you can play with software in order to reduce contrast and correct color.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

You don't need a sophisticated setup to get good results. As it happens, there's a current discussion of this at DPR where lots of DIY solutions of various levels of sophistication are presented. Heck, I can get a good result just propping a slide up on a table in front of a window and resting the camera (with a macro lens) in front of it.


Thanks. But I am looking for a proper solution where I can get good quality results. No way of having an even focal plane with a slide on a window.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote marcz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2018 at 19:54
Originally posted by pakodominguez pakodominguez wrote:

Originally posted by marcz marcz wrote:

I have an A7II and a Sigma 105mm marco lens (adapted). I want to use this set up to copy slides and 35mm negs.   I want to attach something like a Nikon ES1 slide copier. Can anyone advise a good pathway between the Sigma and the slide copier so I can focus correctly. Bellows, adapter rings?

Thanks for the help
105mmm is probably too long for the ES1, that is designed for the 55 and 60 Micro Nikon. The 50 Macro is a little wider. Your lens will crop into the slide/negative.

Results are good, and you can play with software in order to reduce contrast and correct color.



Yes, but I have the 105mm lens and would prefer not to buy another macro lens. I am happy to go with another slide holder if I can work out a way of connecting it to the 105.     Am looking for a solution like this https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2F2.img-dpreview.com%2Ffiles%2Fp%2FTS560x560~forums%2F57954497%2F566aa904b36a4cb2b2691d73e464ba2c&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dpreview.com%2Fforums%2Fpost%2F57954497&docid=AHZseki8UiN3kM&tbnid=7aWxA0bP4TX6XM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiOypizq9ndAhUCKcAKHWbQAVEQMwg_KAAwAA..i&w=560&h=373&safe=strict&bih=1298&biw=2560&q=slide%20copying%20sony%20ar7ii&ved=0ahUKEwiOypizq9ndAhUCKcAKHWbQAVEQMwg_KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2018 at 20:22
Originally posted by marcz marcz wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

You don't need a sophisticated setup to get good results. As it happens, there's a current discussion of this at DPR where lots of DIY solutions of various levels of sophistication are presented. Heck, I can get a good result just propping a slide up on a table in front of a window and resting the camera (with a macro lens) in front of it.

Thanks. But I am looking for a proper solution where I can get good quality results. No way of having an even focal plane with a slide on a window.

Not true (as I said, I've got the good results to prove it). But that's okay ... we must each pursue our own goals in our own ways.
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Marc:

How many slides are you copying? For less than 50 or so the individual cheap "tube" copiers work well. You can add a +1 achromatic close up lens to add a small amount of cropping ability (to get rid of the mount frame and to reduce working distance. With the 105mm you'll still need to add 5-10cm 58mm extensions 58mm lens tube plus a step up/down ring to match the copier lens threads to the front of the lens since most of the cheap copiers are designed for a 50mm lens. Most bellows rails are not long enough for the working distance and the longer 105mm (at 1:1) unless the copier is removed from the rails and attached directly to the lens (not easy). You also lose any electronic connection to the camera and the extra magnification with the bellows collapsed you don't need.

For me,I had thousands of slides, mine and inherited, mostly in Carousel trays. What a pain to individually remove the slide and insert it into a copier or scanner.

Here's what I did, likely more complicated than what you are looking for;



Copies an entire tray automatically in less than 20 minutes.

The (not) hardest part is cleaning the slides in the tray with compressed air and rotating the verticals to horizontal.

Gallery with particulars;

Carousel slide copier



Edited by Pete Ganzel - 27 September 2018 at 07:42
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2018 at 22:31
Neat arrangement. The electronic auto copy probably helps with one of the bugbears of this arrangement, which is that the light intensity makes the slides 'pop' after a few seconds, and either the middle goes out of focus (if it's a manual focus projector) or the edges do (if it has centre-point AF like my Rolleis). Tempting to replace the light source with a white LED for copying.
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Originally posted by Pete Ganzel Pete Ganzel wrote:

Marc:

How many slides are you copying? For less than 50 or so the individual cheap "tube" copiers work well. You can add a +1 achromatic close up lens to add a small amount of cropping ability (to get rid of the mount frame and to reduce working distance. With the 105mm you'll still need to add 5-10cm 58mm extensions 58mm lens tube plus a step up/down ring to match the copier lens threads to the front of the lens since most of the cheap copiers are designed for a 50mm lens. Most bellows rails are not long enough for the working distance and the longer 105mm (at 1:1) unless the copier is removed from the rails and attached directly to the lens (not easy). You also lose any electronic connection to the camera and the extra magnification with the bellows collapsed you don't need.

For me,I had thousands of slides, mine and inherited, mostly in Carousel trays. What a pain to individually remove the slide and insert it into a copier or scanner.

Here's what I did, likely more complicated than what you are looking for;



Copies an entire tray automatically in less than 20 minutes.

The (not) hardest part is cleaning the slides in the tray with compressed air and rotating the verticals to horizontal.

Gallery with particulars;

Carousel slide copier



Thanks. I am not copying in large quantities like you. Probably 200 or so slides and 35 mm film.    I just need good quality as I will add some to a stock library and they check them at 100%. The lens in the link I attached is 90mm, so I guess it's just a question of adding more distance between the lens and the focal plane of the copier.   
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Neat arrangement. The electronic auto copy probably helps with one of the bugbears of this arrangement, which is that the light intensity makes the slides 'pop' after a few seconds, and either the middle goes out of focus (if it's a manual focus projector) or the edges do (if it has centre-point AF like my Rolleis). Tempting to replace the light source with a white LED for copying.


The 500 watt original halogen lamp was replaced with a 40 watt white vanity bulb that does not have enough heat with fan cooling, heat absorbing glass and plastic diffuser to pop the slides so focusing is no problem. Focus on the front of the slide at f/8 and there is plenty of DOF to have all of the slide in focus. I just set the camera to tungsten and the colors come out perfect. I've had some problems with "white" LEDs and color balance, most tend to have a large spike of blue with the phosphors sort of filling in the rest of the visible spectrum.

BTW, happy birthday!

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Edited by Pete Ganzel - 28 September 2018 at 07:20
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Originally posted by Pete Ganzel Pete Ganzel wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Neat arrangement. The electronic auto copy probably helps with one of the bugbears of this arrangement, which is that the light intensity makes the slides 'pop' after a few seconds, and either the middle goes out of focus (if it's a manual focus projector) or the edges do (if it has centre-point AF like my Rolleis). Tempting to replace the light source with a white LED for copying.


The 500 watt original halogen lamp was replaced with a 40 watt white vanity bulb that does not have enough heat with fan cooling, heat absorbing glass and plastic diffuser to pop the slides so focusing is no problem. Focus on the front of the slide at f/8 and there is plenty of DOF to have all of the slide in focus. I just set the camera to tungsten and the colors come out perfect. I've had some problems with "white" LEDs and color balance, most tend to have a large spike of blue with the phosphors sort of filling in the rest of the visible spectrum.

BTW, happy birthday!

Pete      

Thanks. I will have to try that. I have a 'Seasons' set I made many years ago and showed as an automated slideshow with two Rollei projectors and music.
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We do have some knowldge-base info here:

http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/scanning-the-scanner-article_topic105410.html

@pete - would you be Ok if I summarised your copying setup in that article? - Alternatively, If you wanted to make your own post that would be even better.

To anyone posting or looking here, please consider contributing to the scanning/copying article in the knowledgebase too...
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Love the Carousel set-up, makes me wish I still had a Carousel to play with!
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