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Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

why shouldn't I be concerned? What happens if they can't keep it afloat? It's only been 2 years and doesn't look like things are going well, what happens if they can't keep it going? Should I start downloading/backing up my photos? I literally just paid the $50 USD fee (which is more like $65+ CAD), and now I'm reading this, you bet I have concerns Do YOU have the "Pro" account at Flickr?
Well, I am a Smugmug user, I did not ask them to buy in to Flickr. Never liked Flickr. They try to save Flickr and you complain? If you go, they for sure will not survive. When they took Flickr over from Yahoo, it was clear it would be an uphill battle. And instead of being happy they wanted to give Flickr a fighting change, Flickr users groan, moan and whine about everything.

If Flickr goes belly up, so will Smugmug. Be happy that you contribute to the survival of Flickr AND Smugmug.
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so... this is my latest frustration.

this is how my picture looks with the Flickr App vs the Chrome browser... why is the color so off with the app?


Frustrated with the Flickr App
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Strange! I have never noticed something like that, but will keep an eye on that.

My frustration is their current offer to extend the subscription for one or two years at a small discount. In their previous message where they announced the changes in subscription offerings and price increase, they seemed pretty desperate looking for money. Makes me wonder if a prepayment for tweo years will last that long...
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Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:


My frustration is their current offer to extend the subscription for one or two years at a small discount. In their previous message where they announced the changes in subscription offerings and price increase, they seemed pretty desperate looking for money. Makes me wonder if a prepayment for tweo years will last that long...


yup, I'm annoyed with that too
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problem solved!

so, I have a desktop and a laptop... the desktop's Lightroom's export setting was set to ProPhoto RGB and my laptop was set at sRGB, I changed it to ProPhoto RGB and now the problem is gone! It was suggested by someone at Flickr and it solved the problem!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 February 2020 at 10:25
Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:


My frustration is their current offer to extend the subscription for one or two years at a small discount. In their previous message where they announced the changes in subscription offerings and price increase, they seemed pretty desperate looking for money. Makes me wonder if a prepayment for tweo years will last that long...


yup, I'm annoyed with that too
What annoys you? What is frustrating? Smugmug needs money to run Flickr. Makes sense, doesn't it? Some people think Flickr will be starting to move a little towards offering the sort of additional 'features' that Smugmug has had for a while (prints from the website for example).
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It frustrates me that they seem to try putting their financing risk at the customers instead of the banks..
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What makes you think that they put their financing risk at the customer? When they go to the bank they need paying subscribers to show to the bank to get the money. Also, they need a membership fee that is in line with what they offer, that is another thing the bank will ask for. Finally, they are loosing money on Flickr, why would a bank subsidise a business that is loosing money?

On the Smugmug side they do not seem "desperate looking for money". In fact, neither do they do on the Flickr side: if I go to the Flickr homepage, there is really hard to find the Pro page. If they were out for your money, they would promote the hell out of the pro-subscription.

Flickr said "The world’s most-beloved, money-losing business needs your help" on the Blog on 19 December, the day before the Smugmug blog mentioned "Auto Upload for iOS is here: keep your phone photos safe, automatically". No dramatic call to bring in subscribers to Smugmug or Flickr on the Smugmug side. Just mentioning technical progress.

It seems the tone of the blogpost was wrong as you guys are panicking.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

What makes you think that they put their financing risk at the customer? When they go to the bank they need paying subscribers to show to the bank to get the money. Also, they need a membership fee that is in line with what they offer, that is another thing the bank will ask for. Finally, they are loosing money on Flickr, why would a bank subsidise a business that is loosing money?

It seems the tone of the blogpost was wrong as you guys are panicking.


Prepaying for a 2 years-membership now won't solve their lossmaking problem, only a cash deficit.
If they use that money now, how will they pay the salaries next year if the remain lossmaking?
Normally a bank is used to finance (temporary) cash deficits, and they get a fee including a risk premium for that. The higher the risk, the higher the fee.
Indeed Flickr needs to raise their membershipfee, the number of subscriptions or lower their costs to solve the profitability issue.
It might be that banks have withdrawn already due to lack of a healthy business perspective? (there is no prove for that).
Nobody can/will keep a lossmaking business alive forever.
I am not panicking (yet), just concerned. Not by the tone, but just reading between the lines (and some proffesional experience in this field)
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