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    Posted: 15 May 2020 at 17:03
Hi,

Just had a Digital Camera World email update with news on the 'leaked' price of the new Canon R5 to be launched soon - According to the website it's a whopping $6700 / £5500 body only.

So - the question is: How much would you be prepared to pay for a 'new generation' camera body (no lenses etc.)?

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I have 14 EF lenses so I have some interest in Canon cameras. The R and RP weren't very compelling. I'd rather not buy another memory card. A 7D mark III sounds more interesting to me. The 90D is probably good enough.

I paid $1450 for the A7III + FE 28-70 OSS kit. It is a decent enough EF body.



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If it is $6700 price in the UK will be close to £6700 than £5500

I was hoping (suppose somewhat unrealistically) for $3500-4000. At which point I can hope to get it in used markets for £2-2.5K in a year or year and half. If it starts at 6K then that's like 2-3 year at least before I can afford it by which time there will be something better around anyway.

I am all for manufacturers making really awesome bodies with over the top specs like GFX100 for example. But if you price it out of the reach of masses then it may as well not exist for majority of the people. The reason A7III, X-T3, D750 whatever else top sellers sold so well was because it was affordable and did everything decently well or slightly better than competition. At 6K I bet any manufacturer could make an equally spec'd body.
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Well, it seems to be $10,499 in Australian dollars and then they put it through XE.com or something and came up with that $6700 / £5500 number.

But, prices are region specific. The same shop sells the Sony A9 II for AU$8999,- (that is US$5700,-) but B&H sells it for US$4498,-.
They also sell the Canon 1Dx3 for AU$10990,- (that is US$7000,-) and B&H sells it for US$6499,-.
So, even if the Australian price is AU$10499,- it is unlikely the US price is US$6700,-.

Pricing is important. I did (do?) not expect it to be more expensive then the A9 II. It seems it will be. It might be worth it: if it is as good as an A9 II with a higher pixel count and the other specifications. But is there enough of an market there?

Re. the EOS R - it really is a nice camera. It is a compelling camera with some limitations. It was too expensive at launch, but later lower prices made it a great camera. If the limitations are a problem for you, well, yeah, it has those

I do not expect a 7D III. Most people do not expect an 7D III. I would look at a nice used original 1Dx. My R works nicely with EF lenses, as does my A7rIII
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Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

So - the question is: How much would you be prepared to pay for a 'new generation' camera body (no lenses etc.)?

The last time I bought a camera that could be described that way was back in 2010. Since then, I'm only prepared to pay considerably less than what the manufacturer/retailer is prepared to accept.
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Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:


So - the question is: How much would you be prepared to pay for a 'new generation' camera body (no lenses etc.)?


Neil, my price would be $0. I've always bought used gear since I'm only a hobbyist and have never earned a penny from photography and neither do I have an inclination to start offering services for money.
For what I do and my skill level, a pretty basic set would more than cover my needs.
I suppose this doesn't add much to the discussion you desire but I guess it does show that not everyone is totally into the latest and greatest gear.

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@sybersitizen and Sashi - thanks for the balanced view and that is precisely what I was trying to invoke with the start of the thread. There will always be those that wish to be at the 'cutting edge' of any technology (or just want to be seen to have it draped nonchalantly over one's shoulder...?), but for those people that take their hobby more seriously I just wondered where the ceiling lies for that.

There was no intent meant in terms of always having the latest (I was going to say and greatest - jury's out there I guess) gear, more to see if people consider new equipment (and, for that matter, lenses as well I guess) as becoming somewhat over priced relative to their needs these days.

And nothing wrong with good old fashioned clean and honest debate, is there?

Thanks both (and all so far) and best regards, Neil.
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Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

@sybersitizen and Sashi - thanks for the balanced view and that is precisely what I was trying to invoke with the start of the thread.
Ehm, you are saying that their view is balanced because it fits with your opinion. And what is your opinion?

Sybersitizen is saying that he is unwilling to pay the full cost (why is unclear).
Sashi is saying his skill level does not warrant the newest cameras.

What is your reason you do not want the cost of this camera? What would you think is a fair price?
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Such prices only make sense if you earn money with the camera and there will be some write-downs on your yearly tax return. Or - you enter what I would call "Leica-spacce" - money just doesn't count.

I wonder how fast prices will go down for used bodies.

I noticed a strange phenomenon in this regard: the prices for used Fujifilm GFX 50 cameras (50S and 50R). They are now just about half of the current dealer prices, mint condition. I always thought that these bodies also have been preferably bought by professional photographers. Why are so many of these cameras offered in the used markets now? For such a cheap price?

The Canon won't probably take the same path in terms of prices.
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I've been very happy with 2nd hand gear. The 2nd hand market in the Netherlands is very good to excellent in my expirence. Not dirt cheap, but i've picked up some nice glass/body over the last years for about 50% of new price.
My A7iii i was able to buy on my business account (i do some video coaching) which Sony/camerastore offered extra insurance and monthly payment witout intrest. First time a bought a brand new body (just 2 weeks after first introduction of the camera ) Cost 2200euro.
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Apart from the performance, there's also an early adopter tax, especially for electronics.
I learned a long time back that pricing of camera gear follows a steep curve and a good bit of it has to do with manufacturing, economics, and engineering. The preference of which point along that curve suits someone is quite a personal call.

Is a Sony FE 70-200G2 twenty five times better than the humble beercan? Or 5 times better than a used Tamron/Sigma 70-200/2.8 (if you insist on comparing the aperture as well)? It depends on whoever is making the decision and their preferences, proclivities, priorities, and fiscal situation.

I'm something of an audiophile as well and recently bought a couple of (used) tower speakers along with a (used) receiver. Paid way less than a quarter of what it would cost to buy the exact same set new. The system pumps out music so beautifully!
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Addy - the point about the phrase 'balanced view' was to hear others opinions, not mine.

And the thread was started just to initiate some healthy and reasoned debate; my view, for what it's worth, is that it seems to be following the path of a lot of items recently (not just cameras) where buy-in costs are excessively high for what seems like small increments for the man in the street. For the Pro's - fine; as mentioned above, they can offset against tax etc. (in those countries that allow such actions) and, hence, they keep ahead of the curve technology-wise.

For us mere mortals, then I too am unprepared to pay those sorts of prices as I neither make money from photography nor do I consider myself as someone who wishes to show that I have the means to buy such an item. Skill? That's a different debate and not for here as far as I'm concerned.

So - personally, I'm not asking people to judge one another for what they purchase - I'm here to view their images, enjoy them and, if possible, add another viewpoint to what I see; that Members on here can take such wonderful and inspiring images on such a diverse range of systems/lenses is a testament to the fact that technology isn't the answer in many cases. Is the R5 an advancement? Probably. But at what price do people value that advancement - that was all I was trying to see from a diverse range of people (as that is what we have in our Membership).

And fair price? What someone is prepared to pay for it I guess. You know - you only ever 'need' your first camera; almost everything else after that is possibly 'want' I guess.

Take care all and, please, stay safe and well - you've all got so much more work and inspiration inside you to share.

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Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

A You know - you only ever 'need' your first camera; almost everything else after that is possibly 'want' I guess.



So true! Perhaps my one exception to this rule was when I was an early A99ii adopter. I always wanted A-mount full frame and the A99 always felt lacking. I *needed* and A99ii !

A99ii still suits me just fine and hits all my needs and exceeds most of my abilities/wants :-)

While I still wonder about a supercam Emount replacement for my trusty A99ii, I'm not sure I need it and my wallet most definitely doesn't want it :-)
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Sybersitizen is saying that he is unwilling to pay the full cost (why is unclear).

The reason is it wouldn't be money well spent. My purchase of a 'new generation' camera in 2010 was money well spent because it allowed me to shoot things that were problematic for my previous camera. However, ever since then, I've been able to accomplish the things I want to do with 'old generation' cameras costing much less.
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