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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:


An important part of a picture being sharp is that the bit you want sharp is in focus , and not something else !


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Originally posted by Rambler358 Rambler358 wrote:

Wow - You guys arenít certainly making this decision any easier! LOL

So it seems thereís a lot of variability with the quality of these lenses. There are plenty of these lenses on eBay for sale, but I donít know if this is because of quality issues or if the seller just moved to a different mount or camera.

Good point. My impression is that when a lens has just been produced, sellers are those who wanted to try it out but didn't like it, when it is popular people buy them s/h and keep the good ones, and only when the lens becomes obsolete do you find the really good low-use ones appearing.
... but at that point you also find all the cr**py ones that have been dropped, soaked, and left to rot.
As you suggest, returnability is a key requirement for anything expensive.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rambler358 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 05:20
Originally posted by 2manycamera 2manycamera wrote:

At this time usedphotopro.com has three 16-80's, for $349. each,rated mint (generally mint is new/old stock or store display or special purchase from vendor) and all have 1 year warranties. They also show two 16-50 kit lenses for $89 each with 6 month warranties. Robert's is very good on their return policies-30 days no questions asked. I've bought from them many times. No 16-105's listed. You can get an additional 5% discount with coupon code TAKE5.

Same lenses are also on ebay from Robert's at $342.86, a bit more when you use the 5% discount on their site.

I saw that! But the eBay sales only have a 6 month warranty, where if you buy from their web site it's a 1 year warranty. But the eBay sales have an option to "Make Best Offer", but still - the 1 year warranty would be nice to have. I can't find any other sites or sales offering an actual warranty for either the 16-105 or the 18-135 lenses.

I also found a few Sigma 24-105 f/4 Art lenses in really good condition, but alas, no warranty and more $$$. I might just take a chance and pull the trigger on one of the CZ 16-80s Robert's has - their warranty does add peace of mind.

For those that do or did have the CZ 16-80, did they all have zoom creep?
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WOW. Never thought of seeing a debate between 16-105 & 16-80 again in 2021.

Originally posted by Rambler358 Rambler358 wrote:


I saw that! But the eBay sales only have a 6 month warranty, where if you buy from their web site it's a 1 year warranty. But the eBay sales have an option to "Make Best Offer", but still - the 1 year warranty would be nice to have. I can't find any other sites or sales offering an actual warranty for either the 16-105 or the 18-135 lenses.

I bought my 16-80 with roughly $250 in 2018. It remains in a very good condition now.


For those that do or did have the CZ 16-80, did they all have zoom creep?

Mine doesn't.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rambler358 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 05:54
Originally posted by beautiophile beautiophile wrote:

WOW. Never thought of seeing a debate between 16-105 & 16-80 again in 2021.

Never say never.

For those that do or did have the CZ 16-80, did they all have zoom creep?

Mine doesn't.

Good to know!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ABDurbs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 09:40
Originally posted by Rambler358 Rambler358 wrote:

For those that do or did have the CZ 16-80, did they all have zoom creep?

Mine doesn't
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 09:54
Mine has zoom creap , it was very sloppy !
That's the least of its problems though , and was very easy to remedy .
I bought a " lens band " , essential one of those silicone / rubber wrist bands that is steached around the lens body .
It overlaps the zoom ring just a fraction so it grips the grip and stops it rotating .
You might think it would get in the way , but it works just fine .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 11:08
No zoom creep with mine.

Is there a warranty program? Henry's offers it's H.E.L.P. (Henry's Extended Life Plan) on new and used gear, based on purchase price and length of the extended warranty.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote overeema Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 12:24
Originally posted by Rambler358 Rambler358 wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The 16-80 and 16-105 are somewhat worse optically than the 18-135.

This is the first I've heard.
From kurtmunger.com:
Bottom line; I would recommend the Sony 18-135mm for photographers looking at this focal range, and want a lens that's fully compatible with the latest Sony cameras; and I'm talking about AF speed for fast action, lens corrections, and a quiet focus motor for discrete stills or video. If you have more money to spend, and optical performance is more important than zoom range, look carefully at the CZ 16-80mm, or Sony 16-105mm.


I have the CZ 16-80 since 2008, and I am still very pleased with its optical qualities. Mechanically my satisfaction has decreased over the years: zoom creep and loosening of the rubber rings. That said it is still the most used lens on my A350. For outside walkaround I am very happy with my Minolta 28-135. Built like a tank, optically also very good except for flare. And I have the G 70-300 and a Minolta 2/100. For more details see my lens review on this site.

Edited by overeema - 07 April 2021 at 12:42
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I have the 16-105 and loved it when I was only A mount on A100 & A700 later it developed a problem with the zoom mechanism so I use it very rarely now.It suffered from zoom creep if that matters to you.
I bought a s/h 16-80 but returned it as I couldn't see any improvement in IQ and not much in build levels.
The 16-105 didn't have the best build quality but I loved it all the same, definitely agree that the extra width of 16mm is a big advantage.
As suggested by others if I was you I'd consider buying a 24mm/2.8 Sigma (or similar) (35mm on APSC) and use that as your walkround lens as you're well covered by zooms !
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For what it's worth, I really, really liked the CZ16-80 and it was my go-to lens when I was shooting A mount APS-C. I never tried the 16-105 but I did have the 16-50 SSM. I preferred the 16-80 over the 16-50. I liked the 'look' of the images, the so-called micro-contrast. It is also usefully more compact than the 16-50. I never really needed the extra stop or two of speed. I also liked the fact that it was very compact and lighter than the 16-50. Although the 16-50 seemed to have better build quality, I never experienced zoom creep over the 6 years or so that I used it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote overeema Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2021 at 13:37
Originally posted by braisim braisim wrote:

...snip...
Although the 16-50 seemed to have better build quality, I never experienced zoom creep over the 6 years or so that I used it.

Neither did I in the first 5-6 years of usage.It gradually developed after that. I am now using the lens for 13 years.
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CZ 16-80 has been my best zoom in 2006-2012 for KM5D and A700.
After obtaining NEX7 I have used it 1,5 years via EA-1.
As NEX7 has no image stabilisation, I replaced 16-80 + EA-1 with E 18-105/4 G OSS.
But one problem was with 16-80 AF system - it's mechanics was week. One day it was broken (unfortunately on the trip to Crete in 2011) and when back at home, replaced. It was not cheep repair. As I understand, the AF replacement mechanics was redesigned one, so lenses from 2011 or so have probably no this problem any more.
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