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    Posted: 12 October 2018 at 16:30
Hi,

Just seen this article:

Sony A7000 rumour

Neat looking camera with 'brand identity' with the a-Series

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I am not sure about the ergonomics of the current A7/A9 bodies.



Why does the A5x00 have more room between the lens mount and the grip than the A9 flagship?

Hopefully it will gain the same (or better) capabilities with A-mount lenses as the A9.

Not looking forward to the cost.

Edited by QuietOC - 14 October 2018 at 17:16
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They seem to be taking for ever to announce this. It was originally going to be June, then Sept now October !

Be interesting to see what the final specs are. Looks like its going to be designed to go head to head with the XT3.
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Several times lately, Sonyalpharumours have trailed the possibility of a new high-end APS-C camera in E-mount, with little detail known except that it would definitely have a central EVF. They illustrated this with a modified A9 image, but with no justification, explanation or analysis.

I guess logically it would have to be in either an A7 body or an A9 body, but which? Who would it be aimed at, who would buy it, and why? What concept would actually work in engineering and in marketing terms, and would attract new users from other systems (not just canon & Nikon, but maybe Panasonic too?).
It seems to me that two different concepts might work.

1. A9 APS-C concept:       Fully weather-sealed APS-C with big battery, dual card slots
Main competitors would be: FF mirrorless, hgh-end APS-C
Technical justification:      Faster sensor readout than FF, enhanced video capability.
Who would buy it?           Pro sports and wildlife photogs
Why would they buy it?     Continuous high-rate shooting without buffer limit?
                                      Enhanced stills-from-video like Panasonic?
                                      New global shutter?
                                   Greater reach than FF with long teles. Longer battery life?
Any problems with this?     Is high pixel density for wildlife possible with continuous readout?
What would they call it?    It would have to be an ‘A9-C’ or something to attract the pros.

           
2. A7 APS-C concept:        Mostly as above, but not weather-sealed
Main competitors would be:   High-end APS-C, dedicated video cameras
Technical justification:     Central EVF, enhanced video capability
Who would buy it?            Street photogs, fashion shooters
Why would they buy it?       Continuous high-rate shooting without buffer limit?
                                      Enhanced stills-from-video like Panasonic?
                                      Greater battery life than FF
Any problems with this?      Difficult to see much advantage over A7 series.
What would they call it?     A7000 seems a good guess.

ANyway, that's my 2p worth. What do you lot think?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote morph1970 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 07:51
The rumours had also suggested that along with the new body would come some E Mount lenses. If for example the long awaited 16-50 F2.8 was announced that could be a game changer.

I personally do see the appeal of this camera, I think it is more likely to be the second of your two options.

APSC does have its appeal the lenses that go with it are generally smaller, light weight and cost a bit less. Where I see the slight issue with the current A6xxx line up to change anything you largely have to dive in the menus. I would expect this new camera to have more direct access controls a big plus. Secondly I find the off centre and quite small view finder on the A6xxx a bit uncomfortable, move it to the centre make it bigger, another plus. Third plus would be the slightly bigger body makes the ergonomics and handling better.

The XT3 by all accounts is a very good camera improving on the XT2 if in this new body Sony launch something comparable to the XT3 but with IBIS and the ability to use legacy lenses if you wanted to they could well be onto another winner.

Add to it expected sensor improvements , there were also some rumours it would a 30 something MP camera that could give it the advantage over something like the A7ii for example and again it has a lot of appeal.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote eldonito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 09:43
It's exciting but also it'd be interesting to see which way they'll go in terms of features.

I am interested in purchasing, and in terms of improvements from the A6500, I would favor better DR performance and battery life; as well as more "IBIS/sensor tech" along the lines of pixel shifting and star tracking, and other nifty features like intervalometer and focus bracketing. A flip-out (or at least 2-axes articulating) screen would be terrific for portrait orientation or astrophotography, where the camera is often positioned in all sorts of odd angles.

For me other A6500 features like resolution, AF, burst shooting and video look perfect, at least on paper. But, I also recognize there are other consumers with different photography styles. As always, an increase in Mp is perceived as an upgrade and may be appealing to those who like to zoom in by cropping. And there seems to be a big emergence of video artists who love video-centric features in a camera body designed for stills.

It seems unlikely that Sony will manage to please everyone's expectations in one body (in fact, they had to split the FF bodies into four distinct product lines) so, to reiterate: it'll be interesting to see what they do next!
 



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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Several times lately, Sonyalpharumours have trailed the possibility of a new high-end APS-C camera in E-mount, with little detail known except that it would definitely have a central EVF.

The viewfinder placement is just for visual appeal. I would prefer an uglier camera that worked better. A removeable, tiltable viewfinder sounds like the best option to me. It can attach to the left side of the body. The display panel could also be made removeable and attach at the same location. They could offer multiple options and future upgrades for both.
Originally posted by eldonito eldonito wrote:


It seems unlikely that Sony will manage to please everyone's expectations in one body (in fact, they had to split the FF bodies into four distinct product lines)

Smaller companies like Panasonic and Fuji offer more body shapes. Some are asking for an FE rangefinder body.
Originally posted by morph1970 morph1970 wrote:


Add to it expected sensor improvements , there were also some rumours it would a 30 something MP camera that could give it the advantage over something like the A7ii for example and again it has a lot of appeal.

I don't expect sensor improvement. The X-T3 seems to perform worse than the X-T2--maybe a tradeoff for speed. The A6500 seems to perform a bit worse than the A6300. That same sensor might perform better in a larger body.

I am interested in higher and lower resolution APS-C. A 50 MP sensor only adds 50% more linear resolution. Something close to 100 MP would make more sense. Sony has figured good UHD capture from 24 MP, so I expect they will keep using it. Nikon has gone down to 20 MP but can capture 14-bits continuously at the high frame rates.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote morph1970 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 12:10
Well ive just sold my A99 this morning and am looking for something else. i do have the A6300 which I am really enjoying using. Ive narrowed my search down to the A7ii, the A6500 or this new model. So i just hope they get on and release it lol
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If I look from my own needs, aps-c is good because of smaller body and lenses.
For me a7 series body with aps-c sensor is not so good idea, but can be great, if this body includes possibility to switch sensor's chips (user friendly 1 body for aps-c and FF)
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a6500 with IBIS and great Auto ISO solution is actually greatly equiped for shooting stills I am interested in. There is no urgent need for real life shooting to have more dials and buttons. But of course - the wheel on the back can be littlebit more alike on A9 and the dials on the top can have central custom buttons not making existing layout more complicated, as buttons are small.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 13:33
I think this Sony mirrorless option is suppose to appeal to me. I didn't like the Sony mirrorless NEX & A6XXX and went with Olympus OMD EM1. The Sony A9 is the only mirrorless design to appeal to me but the expense held me back.
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Originally posted by morph1970 morph1970 wrote:

Well ive just sold my A99 this morning and am looking for something else. i do have the A6300 which I am really enjoying using. Ive narrowed my search down to the A7ii, the A6500 or this new model. So i just hope they get on and release it lol

The A7II looks to be a step down to me. Take a look at this photonstophotos comparison. The A7II has less dynamic range capability than the A99 which seem to be the main thing for many with going full-frame. It is not resolution in this case. Also the $800 APS-C Nikon D7200 is so close to the $1100 A7II. Why spend all that money on FE lenses to get a lot of aliasing?

I kinda regret getting the A6000 instead of an A5100. I miss the smaller, lighter form factor, and a touch screen seems like it would be more useful to me. I'd consider an updated A5300/A5500. It could be more like the NEX 5R--maybe with a Multi Interface shoe with removable EVF support?

For my uses I would like two cameras: a slow high resolution tiny body that wouldn't require an EVF but would benefit from a flexible touch screen. IBIS would be nice especially for pixel-shift tricks. This is much in line with those who want a rangefinder FE body. This even makes sense to me with a somewhat-larger-than 135 format full-frame sensor, but something closer to 100 MP in whatever format would be nice, and be an actual, though minor, resolution upgrade. The E lens selection seems better to me for this form factor.

A lower resolution larger body. 12 MP would be fine. I would use this for my motorsports photography. A light weight 50-300+ mm zoom is essential for me--a longer, long end would be great. The limited FE telephoto offerings aren't very attractive. The mechanical aperture and outdated lens communications limit A-mount. An A6x00 + FE 70-300G OSS and/or FE 100-400GM OSS seems less than ideal.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote morph1970 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 15:28

Ive spent a few months looking at various things(as my questions in these forums show lol), but mainly what I use my camera for. With my current photography I doubt I will ever push a camera to its extremes so from that point of view the A7ii would do fine. But I am still interested to see what this new offering is. I plan to keep this camera for a long time and invest in more quality lenses.
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An APS-C A9 will appeal to the same people who want the Nikon D500 and the Canon 7D-series: wildlife photographers and sports photographers who can't afford the full frame top offerings. Especially for wildlife (and birds photography) a central viewfinder is essential. For street, a viewfinder on the side is oké. Everything else we have to wait for.
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