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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aavo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 17:49
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

... Especially for wildlife (and birds photography) a central viewfinder is essential.

If so, use of a7 series body is surely justified.
Just to be nice, if Sony will keep a6xxx series body alive too.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

For my uses I would like two cameras: a slow high resolution tiny body that wouldn't require an EVF but would benefit from a flexible touch screen. IBIS would be nice especially for pixel-shift tricks. This is much in line with those who want a rangefinder FE body. This even makes sense to me with a somewhat-larger-than 135 format full-frame sensor, but something closer to 100 MP in whatever format would be nice, and be an actual, though minor, resolution upgrade. The E lens selection seems better to me for this form factor.

A lower resolution larger body. 12 MP would be fine. I would use this for my motorsports photography. A light weight 50-300+ mm zoom is essential for me--a longer, long end would be great. The limited FE telephoto offerings aren't very attractive. The mechanical aperture and outdated lens communications limit A-mount. An A6x00 + FE 70-300G OSS and/or FE 100-400GM OSS seems less than ideal.


Sounds like everybody wants different things. In terms of a 'high-end' APS-C camera I'm still struggling to figure out what the advantages of this would be over the equivalent FF camera (A7 or A9). Here are some suggestions:

If using the A9 body: obviously weather sealing and dual batteries, dual card slots; but do you use the opportunity for:-
A) cost reduction (also gets the manufacturing volumes up for this body)?
B) greater pixel density for sports/wildlife shooters (if the long lenses will support that - they often don't)?
C) faster readout, greater burst mode, better video or video/stills crossover?
D) All of the above? But may not be possible to do (B) and (C) together.

If you're using the A7 body, you still have the same questions, but maybe not the same benefits, and this could take sales away form the FF, not add them.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote adhox Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2018 at 00:46
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Especially for wildlife (and birds photography) a central viewfinder is essential. For street, a viewfinder on the side is ok

I've only used cameras with a central viewfinder for wildlife, so I have no other experience to compare it to, but why is a central VF essential? I could try shooting wildlife with an offset VF, but the lenses I have for those mounts are a bit too short.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2018 at 05:06
It is much easier to see the animal and bring your camera to your viewfinder if you have it central as it doesn't chance perspective. It is hard enough to find the animal in the viewfinder and an off set viewfinder makes it just little bit more difficult.

I guess that if you get used to it, it will be better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2018 at 11:45
I am sure I won't get what I'd like - a new e mount in the style of the A3000, with a new converter that handles screw and motor drive A mount lenses using the camera's focusing system. APS and FF versions would be nice. To be fair, the converter alone would be far more interesting than any new body.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2018 at 14:56
I do not know what you mean by A3000 style - isn't that just an e-mount camera with a central viewfinder? That is what the rumours say you're gonna get won't be as cheap though

Regarding the adapter: I saw on Sony Alpha Rumors a Lensvid interview with Sony. According to Lensvid making a new version of the Sony LA-EA4 adaptor (with an A99 AF system) might be possible in theory but probably too complex and expensive to develop. I did not view the video, but according to SAR "New A to E-mount adapter development is not planned"
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2018 at 12:56
Having just watched Tony Northrup's video on the best cameras for sports pros (all mirrorless, natch!), I'm wondering if the camera which the new high-end APS-C Sony has to beat is the Fuji X-T3. It comes a close second to the A9 and is *much* cheaper.

And all them beat the Canon and Nikon ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2018 at 13:58
No surprises there. I wonder how the A6500 compares. I haven't seen the video yet, but I guess he is not talking about the A7s2.

The camera the new A7000 has to beat is the Nikon D500, if they can do that....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2018 at 14:34
Tony mentions the A6500 at the end of the video. Says he would never use it for shooting sports since there are no good ways to control the focus.

The X-T3 body doesn't look designed for sports shooting either. The CIPA rating is only 390.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2018 at 15:24
With the vertical grip the CIPA rating becomes 1200 for the X-T3.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote djfoxy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2018 at 21:36
The fuji XT3 is certainly an excellent APS-C body.
But the force of fuji APS-C comes from the APS-C lenses lineup.
That is Where Sony has to put its effort to catch up with Fuji in APS-C department. Far from won in my opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 September 2019 at 07:51
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I do not know what you mean by A3000 style - isn't that just an e-mount camera with a central viewfinder? That is what the rumours say you're gonna get


I think possibly it's referring to the SLR body style, which is larger than the other APSC E mount cameras, and with a bigger grip.

I use an A3000 and I must admit that the larger small SLR styling makes it easier and perhaps more comfortable to hold. The downside is it takes more room in your bag, but it's very light, being mostly hollow plastic.

As for an A5100 replacement that QuietOC mentioned, in my opinion it's not going to be replaced at all. Market data shows that the bottom end of the ILC camera market is in steep decline, much like pocket cameras before, since most consumers just use their smartphone. It's why almost all makers have concentrated their efforts on higher tier enthusiast models where sales have yet to decline as badly, and the margins are bigger.

In my opinion, the entry level camera market is dead - and it's a problem partly caused by manufacturers who have simply failed to make anything compelling as an alternative to smartphones thats easy to use, and makes it easy to edit and share. Sony tried harder than others with in camera apps and the ability to easily share pictures to a phone, but clearly it wasn't enough.

That's obviously why Sony might be thinking about a super premium APSC model too - more stable sales potential and much healthier margins. Problem is, everyone wants something different. As long as there is a big enough queue of enthusiasts to obsess over things that don't really matter about specification, then it can sell.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 September 2019 at 07:54
Originally posted by djfoxy djfoxy wrote:

The fuji XT3 is certainly an excellent APS-C body.
But the force of fuji APS-C comes from the APS-C lenses lineup.
That is Where Sony has to put its effort to catch up with Fuji in APS-C department. Far from won in my opinion.


I'm always curious about the fabulousness of Fuji's lens range compared to E mount.

If you look at bench tests, most of the Sony models are as good as those from Fuji, and sometimes cheaper.

Fuji play the enthusiast cars better with their f2.8 lenses, but they are as large and heavy as full frame equivalents, which seems to defeat the point for me at least.

Sony have an excellent range of FE lenses that can also be used on the entire E mount camera range too.

What lenses exactly does Fuji have that Sony does not that you think is missing?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 September 2019 at 09:45
Fuji has more APS-C lenses then Sony. Some that Fuji has that Sony does not and that might be interesting to me:
14/2.8 and 16/1.4 (or a decent 16/2.8 at that)
200/2 (or 200/2.8, missing in both E and FE)
55-200/3.5-4.8 (though we have a 70-350)

Well, that is not much, indeed. Other lenses without Sony alternative:
35/1.4 (though 35/1.8 is in between 35/1.4 and 35/2)
56/1.2
8-16/2.8
50-140/2.8
That is all.

One notable advantage of the Sony APS-C lenses over many of the Fuji's is the lack of dedicated aperture ring
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