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Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

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I am still flabergasted that the LA-EA4 does not work with the A1/A7iv


Interesting. Though the LA-EA4 kind of sucks and the LA-EA5 is way better so I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it with them!
There are people who are fine with the LA-EA4 they already own. Why do you want those people to pay money because you do not like the LA-EA4? Why would anybody want decide that for anybody else?

I do not own the LA-EA4 or EA5 - I use my A99m2 when I want to use screwdrive lenses.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I am still flabergasted that the LA-EA4 does not work with the A1/A7iv


Interesting. Though the LA-EA4 kind of sucks and the LA-EA5 is way better so I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it with them!
There are people who are fine with the LA-EA4 they already own. Why do you want those people to pay money because you do not like the LA-EA4? Why would anybody want decide that for anybody else?

I do not own the LA-EA4 or EA5 - I use my A99m2 when I want to use screwdrive lenses.


Why are you making any assumptions on why I said that? What a weird comment. Spend your money how you want. *shrugs* I'm just pointing out that the 4 is not very good. It limits autofocus quite severely, has a mirror and so limits light. If I had the 4 and a camera with the ability to use the 5, I'd sell it and buy the 5. That's just ME. If someone has it and loves it, by all means use it. I tried it. It sucked.

And why would you want me to buy an a99ii so I could use my screw-driven lenses? Why would you decide that for anybody else?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 17:22
Hey everyone, calm down. Remember the rules of the forum to keep things civil!

I purchased the original A7 when it was introduced. Remember that camera?
Long ago and far far away! In another galaxy from the A7iv! I had one lens, the 55 f1.8. I need a way to use my A mount lenses, so I bought the LA-EA4. It worked just fine, for me, but I was not photographing anything fast moving. I used it a lot when traveling with my Minolta 28 f2.0 until I bought the Batis 25mm. Otherwise I used my A99 with A mount lenses which was always just fine for my railroad photography.

These adapters provide a convenient way to continue to use our A mount glass on E mount cameras. Of course they will not match the performance of new E mount glass, many of which have linear drive designed for faster focusing which can be a big advantage for fast moving subjects.

But you can see that Joe achieved very nice results using his SAL 70200 G mk2, the LA-EA5 with the new A7iv!

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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I get the feeling there was a change in the hardware for recent cameras, which is why you need LA-EA5 on the recent ones and LA-EA1/2/3/4 on the older ones, but I'm still not clear whether the LA-EA5 works on early A7 models the same way the LA-3 does.


I don't have an older A7 right now, but I have a NEX 5T, and the LA-EA5 works just like the LA-EA3 (and updated LA-EA1) on it--right down to having contrast-detect AF-S in movie mode when you press the shutter--the most recent Sony bodies no longer have any contrast-detect with the LA-EA1/3/5 adapters.

Another set of even more recent cameras dropped all AF support for the LA-EA2 and LA-EA4 adapters, but those cameras still support all the non-AF stuff with those adapters. They didn't just drop all support for those adapters.

Summary:

NEX to A5100/A6000/A7/A7R/A7S/A7SII/A7II(original firmware)
- LA-EA1 requires firmware update for AF
- Contrast-detect/video AF-S LA-EA1/3/5 with motorized lenses
- LA-EA2/4 AF
- All LA-EA adapters limited to LO frame rate AF-C

A6300/A6500/A7II(updated)/A7RII/A7III/A7RIII
- Phase-detect LA-EA1/3/5 with motorized lenses ... in AF-C mode only
- Contrast detect AF/video AF-S with LA-EA1/3/5 with motorized lenses
- LA-EA2/4 AF
- All LA-EA adapters limited to LO frame rate AF-C
- Still no AF with original firmware LA-EA1

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Thanks for the detailed summary. Much appreciated. My addendum in green, checked only on the A7Rii and LA-EA1. Can anyone confirm this for LA-EA3 and otehr models?
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I'm impressed by the LA-EA4 on Minolta lens including the 500mm reflex. Sure, the modes are limited but the ones it supports work well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 17:54
The advantage of the LE-EA5 when used on the new cameras such as the A7 IV is it will focus screw drive lenses and it doesn’t have a mirror. It’s also using the PDAF of the camera sensor to focus and so tracking also works as do all the eye AF modes.

While it may well work like an LE-EA3 on older camera to focus SSM lenses, it will not focus screw drive lenses on the older cameras.

If someone has no screw drive lenses and/or does not own an A7 IV, RIV or an A1 there is no point buying the LE-EA5 particularly as you can pick up second hand LE-EA3 much cheaper and that will focus your SSM lenses on the older bodies such as the A7 III (as well as the newer bodies).

 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 18:57
Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I am still flabergasted that the LA-EA4 does not work with the A1/A7iv


Interesting. Though the LA-EA4 kind of sucks and the LA-EA5 is way better so I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it with them!
There are people who are fine with the LA-EA4 they already own. Why do you want those people to pay money because you do not like the LA-EA4? Why would anybody want decide that for anybody else?

I do not own the LA-EA4 or EA5 - I use my A99m2 when I want to use screwdrive lenses.


Why are you making any assumptions on why I said that?
I do not make any assumptions on why you said what you said. It is just the logical conclusion of your position. That is all.
You asked "why anybody would want to use it" and I explained why people would want to use the LA-EA4 with A7iv.

And yes, I was annoyed by your comment, so, yes, I was a bit unfriendly. I should have been more cordial. So, I am Sorry for my tone.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 19:04
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I am still flabergasted that the LA-EA4 does not work with the A1/A7iv


Interesting. Though the LA-EA4 kind of sucks and the LA-EA5 is way better so I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it with them!
There are people who are fine with the LA-EA4 they already own. Why do you want those people to pay money because you do not like the LA-EA4? Why would anybody want decide that for anybody else?

I do not own the LA-EA4 or EA5 - I use my A99m2 when I want to use screwdrive lenses.


Why are you making any assumptions on why I said that?
I do not make any assumptions on why you said what you said. It is just the logical conclusion of your position. That is all.
You asked "why anybody would want to use it" and I explained why people would want to use the LA-EA4 with A7iv.

And yes, I was annoyed by your comment, so, yes, I was a bit unfriendly. I should have been more cordial. So, I am Sorry for my tone.


Yes, you were rude. And made a lot of assumptions. The reference was to why someone would want to buy the 4 when the 5 is out. There was literally no reason to respond. Please just...don't anymore. I really dislike this sort of rudeness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 19:33
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I get the feeling there was a change in the hardware for recent cameras, which is why you need LA-EA5 on the recent ones and LA-EA1/2/3/4 on the older ones, but I'm still not clear whether the LA-EA5 works on early A7 models the same way the LA-3 does.


I don't have an older A7 right now, but I have a NEX 5T, and the LA-EA5 works just like the LA-EA3 (and updated LA-EA1) on it--right down to having contrast-detect AF-S in movie mode when you press the shutter--the most recent Sony bodies no longer have any contrast-detect with the LA-EA1/3/5 adapters.

Another set of even more recent cameras dropped all AF support for the LA-EA2 and LA-EA4 adapters, but those cameras still support all the non-AF stuff with those adapters. They didn't just drop all support for those adapters.

Summary:

NEX to A5100/A6000/A7/A7R/A7S/A7SII/A7II(original firmware)
- LA-EA1 requires firmware update for AF
- Contrast-detect/video AF-S LA-EA1/3/5 with motorized lenses
- LA-EA2/4 AF
- All LA-EA adapters limited to LO frame rate AF-C

A6300/A6500/A7II(updated)/A7RII/A7III/A7RIII
- Phase-detect LA-EA1/3/5 with motorized lenses ... in AF-C mode only
- Contrast detect AF/video AF-S with LA-EA1/3/5 with motorized lenses
- LA-EA2/4 AF
- All LA-EA adapters limited to LO frame rate AF-C
- Still no AF with original firmware LA-EA1

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Thanks for the detailed summary. Much appreciated. My addendum in green, checked only on the A7Rii and LA-EA1. Can anyone confirm this for LA-EA3 and otehr models?


AF-S isn't working with the LA-EA1 on the A7RII with AF System set to Phase Detect?

Sony's Help Guide page for the LA-EA1 on the A7RII
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2022 at 19:39
Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

Interesting. Though the LA-EA4 kind of sucks and the LA-EA5 is way better so I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it with them!


I currently have an A7ii and an A7Rii and for me the LA-EA4 works good enough for my purposes on both of these bodies. For me it far from "sucks" and I don't see any reason to call it as such.

In case I would trade my A7ii for an A7iv I would be happy to use the LA-EA4 on that body as well but now I can't and also need to buy a LA-EA5.

So I would need two adapters instead of one because the A7iv is not backward compatible with the older adapter.
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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

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If someone has no screw drive lenses and/or does not own an A7 IV, RIV or an A1 there is no point buying the LE-EA5 particularly as you can pick up second hand LE-EA3 much cheaper and that will focus your SSM lenses on the older bodies such as the A7 III (as well as the newer bodies).



I would agree.

Once I was down to my 70-200 f2.8 G SSM and 135mm STF lens, I happily sold my LA-EA4 and bought a used LA-EA3. I got a much better AF performance on my a7Riii with the zoom and avoided the light loss of the mirror in the LA-EA4.

(Now I'm down to the manual focus only 135mm STF lens, the LA-EA3 is all I need).
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


AF-S isn't working with the LA-EA1 on the A7RII with AF System set to Phase Detect?

Sony's Help Guide page for the LA-EA1 on the A7RII

AF-S works with the LA-EA1 (I don't have the 3 yet - I cut out the baffle in the 1 so it doesn't block FF), but it only uses OSPDAF in AF-C mode, and then only up to f8. In all the other modes it appears to be CDAF only. I've tried it with quite a few lenses.
I think my '1' has the latest software and I can only assume the 3 works the same way. If the 3 gives PDAF in AF-S I'd get one tomorrow but if it doesn't there's little point, since the only A-mount lenses I have with built-in focus motors are APS-C. With the baffle cut out I can use A-mount screw-drive lenses in MF which I do sometimes, eg the Cosina 100mm f3.5 macro where the AF is so noisy and crude I'm embarrassed to use if in AF at all.

Edited by Miranda F - 31 January 2022 at 23:36
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

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If someone has no screw drive lenses and/or does not own an A7 IV, RIV or an A1 there is no point buying the LE-EA5 particularly as you can pick up second hand LE-EA3 much cheaper and that will focus your SSM lenses on the older bodies such as the A7 III (as well as the newer bodies).



I would agree.

Once I was down to my 70-200 f2.8 G SSM and 135mm STF lens, I happily sold my LA-EA4 and bought a used LA-EA3. I got a much better AF performance on my a7Riii with the zoom and avoided the light loss of the mirror in the LA-EA4.

(Now I'm down to the manual focus only 135mm STF lens, the LA-EA3 is all I need).


That is, if the LA-EA3 has been updated to firmware version 2. I did verify mine. I suppose it would not have focused so well with my 70200 SSM G. Last time I used it with my 50mm f1.4 ZA focus was not so smooth. I wonder if it has something to do with my aperture settings. Need to try it again. My Sigma 35mm f1.4 A focuses well.

BTW, speaking of using screw drive lenses with the LA-EA3, I have been using my Minolta 50mm and 100 mm macro lenses with it. Manual focus of course, but then I prefer MF for macro anyway. I assigned the focus hold buttons to focus magnifier on my A7III. Works well.

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Hi Kelly

Yeah, I've always used manual focus for both macro and landscapes (and obviously my STF lens), so the AF system has little relevance for me too. That's a clever trick using the focus-hold button for your focus magnifier
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