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A lot of people regarded 24 as too large when the 900 was introduced...
 



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Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

People complaining about the MP not being enough... Don't forget, they can still announce the a9R in 4 months


Does that get announced before or after the a9S
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Finally a change to the rear wheel! More distinct clicks!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 21:05
Very good news indeed! I'm not surprised to see this news as a hot topic here on dyxum. I'm eager to learn how well the camera performs and whether it actually attracts the targeted pro users over from Canon and Nikon. I understand that I'm not a pro, and that I'm not the intended buyer of such a camera. Though I would expect some technology to trickle down to future A7 cameras.

Perhaps even more interesting to me is the new 100-400mm G lens. I wonder how it will stack up against the Canon lens of the same focal length that seems to be preferred by some Canon pros, and also against the A mount 70-400mm G.

Sony has already attracted pro landscape and some portrait photographers with the A7 series cameras and they are wise to take the ball and run with it.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote pdeley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 21:06
I'm not sure who will really get full benefits of such a high frame rate, but 20fps raw at 25Mb per shot = 1 Gb every 2 seconds = 4 minutes of shooting is enough to fill up a 128 Gb card. They'd better have plenty of time for chimping, PP and backup-ing after each sessions! Thank heavens it's not a 40+ Mpx sensor.



Purely theoretically speaking of course...I'm another member of Bob's Club. Until maybe 2022, when a used a9 in EX+ condition will show up on keh for a measly $1000?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 21:31
Wow indeed!

693 AF points - we have moved from face AF to eye AF and presumably now 'pupil AF' to avoid those annoying 'focused on the eyelash' moments...)

20FPS with a silent shutter! Yikes! You could fill your memory card and not even realise. It must be eerie to use in real life.

1/32000 max shutter speed! Ouch! That's fast!

It's great to see an e-mount camera with a joytick at last.

About the MyMenu - My first thought was 'meh'. I'm sure we have had this in effect for some time with the fully customisable Fn menu 10 slots with almost any setting allowed. I say "almost" as my A99ii offer more choices for these than the A77ii or a6000. That said, I still menu dive more than I would like for other functions and I'm sure I'd be very happy with a My Menu after all :-)   And it will keep other brand 'fans' from complaining that the Sony menus are so poor.


I wonder how this camera would look with my PZ16-50 or SEL55-210 attached

So even though I can't afford it (or the lenses to go with it) I'm very pleased to see Sony release a real flagship beast. If it's only 75% as good in practice as it sounds on paper, it should be amazing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 21:34
With regards to how it works with full electronic shutter, there are options to show a visual display on the viewfinder or LCD when the shutter fires. You can turn these off, but then you'd have no idea when you're actually firing. The menu movie I posted earlier shows examples of this and it has several options (flashing box on AF area, pulsating corner markers) and how intense it appears.

Edited by kefkafloyd - 19 April 2017 at 21:44
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Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

Also, the official Sony Spec Sheet is up, and it does list anti-flicker shooting.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9/specifications

Maybe it's not present in the A9 ... but does anybody know exactly how that feature (present in some other cameras) does its job? Changing the pulse rate isn't possible, nor would I assume changing the electronic shutter rate is the answer.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stuart1701 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 21:47
Too expensive for me, but it will be nice if some of the functionality (like the higher frame rate) filters down to say the next A6500 series or A7 series.

Wonder if this sensor will find it's way to the A7M3.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 22:04
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

Also, the official Sony Spec Sheet is up, and it does list anti-flicker shooting.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9/specifications

Maybe it's not present in the A9 ... but does anybody know exactly how that feature (present in some other cameras) does its job? Changing the pulse rate isn't possible, nor would I assume changing the electronic shutter rate is the answer.


On the a99ii, it senses the frequency via the meter and then makes sure to set the shutter speed to be in line with the flicker rate.

On a9 this may just happen "all the time" as in anti-flicker metering is always on, but no one will be sure until it's in hand.

In other news, apparently an update to LA-EA3 is coming that will allow full AF control at high framerates with adapted A-mount lenses.

http://pmrphoto.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/sony-a9-review-by-patrick-murphy-racey.html

Firmware Update for LEA3 Allows for True AF-C with 10 FPS: The A9 is capable of allowing both 10 fps while tracking a moving subject with full-on AF-C with A-Mount lenses (Minolta AF mount). In the past, what this meant was that you could certainly connect your E-mount camera body to the A-Mount glass, but once you did, it effectively put you into AF-S, as the AF would track until you shot a frame at which point the camera would hold focus at that point until you lifted your finger off the shutter release and then you had to re-acquire the action. Trying to single frame your way though a football game is not ideal or fun so I’m glad that era is over. The two fast super-teles that Sony makes on the A-Mount side of things are very capable and fast AF-ing lenses. They track action well and are very sharp. I own the SAL30028G an it is a real performer when using the LEA3. Getting to shoot the 500mm f/4G lens for a week in paradise with full AF tracking at 10 fps was SWEET!

The firmware update, which I was told would eventually be done by Sony Pro Services, is going to allow any A-mount lens to work at 10 fps with the new body and allow full tracking AF. Any A-mount lens… This includes some very capable lenses from Sigma and Tamron which I am very excited about. The new G2 150-600mm USD Tamron lens is going to find a whole new life on mirrorless with the updated LEA3.
Likewise, the SAL300mm f/2.8G and SAL500mm f/4G have found a few loyal users who are now pretty euphoric about using them with the new A99II, but wait till the massive amount of E-mount users find out they have real long glass options with the combination of the new camera as well as the updated LEA3. On the Sigma side of things, the newly released 500mm f/4 ART lens will be a tempting option for many if they ever decide to offer an A mount version (hint-hint Dave Metz).
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Monster news all around. The updated adapter I believe will be a game changer and the new camera is beastly. Rumor has it that Sony ff sales are doing well and I can see why.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 22:56
Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

On the a99ii, it senses the frequency via the meter and then makes sure to set the shutter speed to be in line with the flicker rate.

Well, 'in line' is not really descriptive. I googled around and found that some systems adjust the release time of the shutter to coincide with the lighting peak, thus attempting to avoid a dip during the exposure. However, I don't see how that helps in cases where multiple peaks and dips are recorded. Anyway, the details are somewhat off topic, so I'll ignore it for now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2017 at 22:57
RRS has already announced they're taking preorders for camera plates
http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Alpha-a9?nocache=T

Edited by stiuskr - 19 April 2017 at 23:18
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bharnois Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2017 at 00:42
Looks Pretty fantastic! At that price it'll be a long, long time. Still enjoying my 2 A900's.

FWIW: So now there is an FE 100/400 GM II! I usually stay away from this but heck, how about an equivalent for the 99II!!!!???!!!
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