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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jozioau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2018 at 10:21
Alan,
Really feel for you in all this. Donít know the situation in your country but is it not possible to purchase what you want/need from reliable on-line sellers based in other countries?
Iíve bought a lot of my cameras, lenses and accessories that way.
I guess if anything goes wrong you could similarly send it off to competent service providers based abroad. Of course, if heavy import duties apply all that may not stack up.
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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

Alan,
Really feel for you in all this. Donít know the situation in your country but is it not possible to purchase what you want/need from reliable on-line sellers based in other countries?
Iíve bought a lot of my cameras, lenses and accessories that way.
I guess if anything goes wrong you could similarly send it off to competent service providers based abroad. Of course, if heavy import duties apply all that may not stack up.

Yes not a great situation and thanks for the sympathy
In years gone by I have imported the odd thing from B&H or similar, but now our currency is very poor against the US$ and other currencies, duties are high, 15% VAT and Advolrem tax make it too expensive to import bodies and lenses. As you say if something goes wrong, then it will have to go overseas again as Sony will not touch any "grey" imports here.

Smaller accessories can be imported from China, but if it is sent by post it will take no less than 3 months to get to me because our international postal service is pathetic. Courier will work but the cost out weighs the price of the item.
Believe me I have looked at every angle

At least with Fujifilm/Olympus/Nikon/Canon I can walk into a retailer in my home town and buy off the shelf
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Allan,

Just to muddy the waters further for you, I suggest you read this recent post from jkp1 Here

Once read, then go down through to the comments and, especially those by Tim Driman who appears to be based in South Africa. These don't, necessarily, reflect your experience to date and may give you another perspective on this?

Good luck with your personal dilemma and hope it resolves itself positively for you.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ABDurbs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2018 at 15:38
Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

Allan,

Just to muddy the waters further for you, I suggest you read this recent post from jkp1 Here

Once read, then go down through to the comments and, especially those by Tim Driman who appears to be based in South Africa. These don't, necessarily, reflect your experience to date and may give you another perspective on this?

Good luck with your personal dilemma and hope it resolves itself positively for you.

Best regards, Neil.


Hi Neil

Great article.

It's tough to reply to Tim's comment because I know him, and he is rightly, very enthusiastic regarding Sony, especially his A9.

A few months I ago I contacted CameraTek, the Company he quotes as being the people who are being trained to service Sony product here in SA. They told me then that they are not the Sony repair agents and referred me to Nikon. I have just contacted them, and again they told me they know nothing about being the Sony repair agents, so there seems to be some "confusion" there.

Anyway, for me the bottom line is that I would never move, and still may not, if they are indeed going to provide the kind of service (and price structure) they did 3 years ago. So far nothing I have seen indicates this is indeed the case. I do however see a conflict of interest between Sony and Nikon, both agencies of the Premier Group, which IMHO, can only see Sony on the losing side. Hopefully I am wrong to which I will gladly eat "Humble Pie"
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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

I have no specific genre but I do lean more toward wildlife so my initial plan would be to change my A77ii for mirrorless and keep my A99 setup for now.
Allan, this line of yours had me thinking. What are you expecting from a mirrorless APS-C system (whatever brand) that your A77ii can't give you?

My personal preference would always be to have the same mount for FF and APS-C so I could use lenses and other accesories across and I would try to avoid going with two completely separate systems, unless it gives me a real big advantege which compensates having two sets of lenses and cameras/menu's which are very different.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ABDurbs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2018 at 16:34
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

I have no specific genre but I do lean more toward wildlife so my initial plan would be to change my A77ii for mirrorless and keep my A99 setup for now.
Allan, this line of yours had me thinking. What are you expecting from a mirrorless APS-C system (whatever brand) that your A77ii can't give you?

My personal preference would always be to have the same mount for FF and APS-C so I could use lenses and other accesories across and I would try to avoid going with two completely separate systems, unless it gives me a real big advantege which compensates having two sets of lenses and cameras/menu's which are very different.


Not expecting anything other than maybe a slight size difference. What I am looking for is meaningful backup and availability of product. I also totally agree that I would rather not have 2 different systems for the same reasons you mentioned.

There is zero A mount support here, so I have to use what I have till it turns to dust, because if it breaks, I cant have it fixed. That's not a problem and I can do just that and still may do.

Anyway I am going to do much research before deciding and all you guys are helping me decide, so thank you again.
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The only thing I might add from my 'looking over the fence at greener' pastures, is that for wildlife at least, I've considered the Olympus system from time to time.

Unlike Fuji, Olympus has some excellent telephoto lenses. Another point of appeal was the smaller size- which as a frequent traveler- got another tick. And they're tough cameras and lenses.

Nonetheless, I have good Sony support in NZ with an excellent local repair agent. And the deterrent cost of running 'two' systems always prevailed. I don't think Olympus can compete on landscapes with the Sony FF cameras.
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Originally posted by wetapunga wetapunga wrote:

The only thing I might add from my 'looking over the fence at greener' pastures, is that for wildlife at least, I've considered the Olympus system from time to time.

Unlike Fuji, Olympus has some excellent telephoto lenses. Another point of appeal was the smaller size- which as a frequent traveler- got another tick. And they're tough cameras and lenses.

Nonetheless, I have good Sony support in NZ with an excellent local repair agent. And the deterrent cost of running 'two' systems always prevailed. I don't think Olympus can compete on landscapes with the Sony FF cameras.

Thanks for your reply.
Olympus is definitely on my list because of its size and lens quality. As a point of interest Olympus do have a beautiful 300mm prime, but Fujifilm have a stunning 70-200 f2.8 and 100-400 f4.5. Both are "works of art"

Totally agree with you re the Sony FE system.
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Fuji's glass is top notch. The 50-140/2.8 Is stellar, as is the 56/1.2 and the 90/2. Add in their new 200/2, and it is quite a formidable set of telephoto lenses providing 75-210, 85mm, 135mm, and 300mm in FF focal lengths. The 55-200 is excellent as well. It's f/3.5-4.8 make it quite bright at the long end.
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Interesting feedback on Fuji thanks. When last I looked they had some excellent primes and good short telephotos. Didn't see any long telephotos.

Edited by wetapunga - 23 August 2018 at 01:30
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Their new 200 f2 prime and 100-400 f4.5 are beautiful lenses as is the 50-140 f2.8 that Emrys also mentioned. When you turn the focus rings on that 50-140 it's like silk.
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Hi there

One thing which is not as well known as perhaps it should be is Fujifilm's understanding of "ISO". At base or the lower ISOs fujifilm play the game properly. So you could hot swap a fuji, sony, oly, in a studio setting and dial in the same manual inputs and get the exposures the same.

At the higher 'ISO' settings fuji are not adhering to the 'standard' that is the middle letter of the ISO. The higher you go the further they deviate from what YOU probably understand to be the ISO you are shooting at. If you use high ISO a lot or even a fair bit then fuji results are going to hurt you. They are either under-exposing and then fixing the image in camera or they are giving you 1 or more stops less light than you think.

If you are considering a fujifilm body then try one in store with a card in a dim lit area and shoot with your Sony too and then get the images open on your computer at home. Try taking meter readings with your Sony and then dialing all that in manually to the fuji and see the results. This will only really be important if you are in a 'do I shoot at ISO 1600 or 3200' and above situation. If you shoot at ISO 400 or in a studio then ignore this check.

I'd call a fujifilm ISO range 100-800 and lots of Hi1 Hi2 Hi3 etc. because they are fudging the higher ISOs but this might be an x-trans only problem.

I've been an Olympus digital shooter on/off since before the E-P1. If you are tempted by this system I would not suggest a pen body today. The E-PL9 isn't overly impressive in terms of ergonomics, the Pen-F is but is also a bit odd and pricey. The Pen-F handles well with small lenses. Instead, I'd grab an E-M10 II. The mark III is out, but Oly have kept the II in the line-up and dropped the price, there is no obvious reason to get the III and some people are calling it a dumbed down version. I had E-M10 (vI) and now have II and won't be getting the III.

The sweet spot for Oly is probably the E-M5 II today. It is due for replacement soon-ish. It is still nice and small, weather/dust sealed as are the 12-40/2.8 and other 'pro' line lenses. Fair bit cheaper than the E-M1 too.
Both E-M5 and E-M1 lines can have additional grips added if you want a bigger camera. Panasonic have done some nice things with the G9 but size is getting big.

I personally prefer the 4:3 format, closer to square and classic 10x8 than the elongated 3:2. But I don't do landscapes so don't need to crop to 16:9. The 4x3 shape is something that needs considering though.
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Thanks for your reply dCap.

That's very interesting and something I will definitely consider, although I very rarely shoot above iso800. I have seen Fujifilm images recently at 1600 and 3200 and I must admit they looked pretty good, and certainly no worse than what I get out of my A77ii or A99.

The Olympus I would be looking at is the E‑M5 MARK II. In fact Olympus are sending me one this week to try out. That's the kind of service I like to see



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