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Post Options Post Options   Quote keith_h Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 December 2021 at 17:53
A few more images.

Mirror lake. A lot of dynamic range challenges here and some post processing artifacts. But the original image nicely handled by the camera.



The famous Wanaka Tree. This is a snapshot taken at arms length. Zero consideration as I would have with a DSLR, just point and shoot.



An opportunity shot. Again, point, shoot. Had I a DSLR I might have zoomed right in on the person under the canopy and taken a range of shots as they flew by. But this is good enough. I think the point here is the difference in the handling between a DSLR/SLT where you can quickly compose and take multiple images on the fly. You won't get that with an RX100. But you can still get a decent shot.



The flip side, I wouldn't have got this with a DSLR/SLT. Shot from the lap as we zoomed by in the cable car. The detail at full resolution is pretty good.

 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote jenik.nk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2022 at 19:49
Keith, thank you. Your links don't work in my browser. I opened them after finding them in source code. Did you really mean to post shots in quite low resolution?

Originally posted by keith_h keith_h wrote:

If you have found a MKIII at a good price buy it right away.

I think the price is nice. It's cca 10 % lower than in most of the respectable e-shops here. And it includes the grip and a case. They say that the camera fits the case with the grip.

I also count with buying an extra battery. If I understand it well, it's quite necessary.

I have found an external changer in the e-shop. But it's quite expensive.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote keith_h Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2022 at 00:18
Battery life is long. The batteries NP-BX1 are the same for the Sony action cam and I have a fleet of batteries as a result. I use some Sony that came with the cameras when I bought them (maybe 3) and have another 3 non genuine, generic brand and inexpensive charger as well which is far more cost effective. This is because action cam battery life is only about two hours of recording. I've never flatted a battery in the RX100 in use.

I have had no issues with batteries or charging and prefer the generic charger to the Sony one.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote keith_h Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2022 at 01:14
The images thing is to do with my image hosting and the default settings of browsers these days. Images should be fine. They are at the Dyxum size which means you don't get the full effect compare to HD lets say. Its why I rarely post images.

A link to my website where they view better below. I can provide links to the RX100 images if you wish.

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Don't see images in my post? CLICK THIS LINK

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Post Options Post Options   Quote jenik.nk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2022 at 19:01
More than two months later.

I would like to thank all the people who helped me during considering the RX-100 cameras.

I bought the RX-100 mark III at the beginning of January. I would like to write some of my first impressions. I also have A37 with some lenses.

I find the RX-100 III to be a very capable camera. I have been used to a DLSR, although A37 is an entry level camera. RX-100 is in a way quite similar, that's why I got used to it very quickly.

I use the ring on the lens as the zoom ring, I use the circular dial for setting the aperture. So far I have used the camera mostly indoors for "normal" shooting.

I really like the EVF. Yes, it is very small, but for me it works nicely. I am not sure much I will use it because it takes time to open it and so far I have shot mostly very quickly - switch the camera ON, take one photo, switch OFF.

IQ considering higher ISOs seems to be fine for me. Of course I dreamt about clear images at ISO 6400. My first impressions are that ISO 3200 is acceptable, ISO 6400 is not. ISO 800 nice, and I guess ISO 1600 is OK.

The lens is 24-70 (equiv.) and F1.8-2.8. It's true but I also feel a little bit cheated because:
24 mm (equiv.) - max aperture 1.8
25-27 mm (equiv.) - max aperture 2.2
28 mm (equiv.) - max aperture 2.5
32 mm (equiv.) - max aperture 2.8

It's better to consider the lens to be fixed F2.8.

I find the controls highly customizable. Although it's a bit difficult to set the camera correctly, the menu is a bit complicated. A normal Sony problem, isn't it?

I bought one more battery but I feel it's not enough. The camera drains the batteries quickly.

I haven't really tested video. I am not happy that there is a lack of stereo sound.

Well, I don't want to write a too long text.

My pros and cons:
+ nice concept
+ nice image quality
+ size
+ bright lens
+ handling (big ring on lens)
+ customizable
+ EVF

- "flat" shape, no grip, I am afraid of dropping the camera
- strange menu
- battery consumption
- lens not as bright as it might seem
- AF not always reliable so far
- lens corrected electronically in JPG, wide angle RAWs are a problem for me

Generally I am very happy with the purchase. I hope the camera will last. Its IQ seems to be OK for me and I don't regret buying the cheapest available RX-100 camera. I'm really interested if the RX-100 VA's IQ is significantly better - the sensor should be newer, more modern.
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I recently went with canon G5Xii.
Having owned RX100m3 in the past I'd say the G5XII is a much nicer camera to use.
It comes with a 24-120mm f1.8-2.8 equivalent lens which is great bonus too.

So if you look at such cameras again in the future I can really recommend this body or even the Panasonic LX100ii.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2022 at 20:55
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

It comes with a 24-120mm f1.8-2.8 equivalent lens which is great bonus too.
I do not want to start a equivalence discussion.... but it is not f/1.8-2.8 equivalent.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jenik.nk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2022 at 21:17
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

It comes with a 24-120mm f1.8-2.8 equivalent lens which is great bonus too.
I do not want to start a equivalence discussion.... but it is not f/1.8-2.8 equivalent.

Yes. I guess we can say It comes with a 24-120mm equivalent f1.8-2.8 lens...
Nevertheless, I believe the cameras mentioned are nice. I have chosen a cheaper option.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

It comes with a 24-120mm f1.8-2.8 equivalent lens which is great bonus too.
I do not want to start a equivalence discussion.... but it is not f/1.8-2.8 equivalent.


OK, I am not interested in having one either
you are being pedantic, I think my point about the extra reach vs. RX100 without losing f-stop has gotten across.
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Originally posted by jenik.nk jenik.nk wrote:


Nevertheless, I believe the cameras mentioned are nice. I have chosen a cheaper option.


Of course, just mentioned them since you showed some interest in RX100VA which is at similar price point.
The IQ isn't really any better over the RX100M3, but the AF and video features are in RX100VA.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2022 at 22:39
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

It comes with a 24-120mm f1.8-2.8 equivalent lens which is great bonus too.
I do not want to start a equivalence discussion.... but it is not f/1.8-2.8 equivalent.


OK, I am not interested in having one either
you are being pedantic, I think my point about the extra reach vs. RX100 without losing f-stop has gotten across.
I did not want to be pedantic, just factual - sorry. But f/8 sounds different then f/2.8
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Congratulations on your acquisition. On two of the points you raise:

"flat" shape, no grip, I am afraid of dropping the camera -
I have a wrist strap attached, problem solved.

battery consumption - I have the MKII which lacks the EVF so I use rear screen only since I have no option. Battery life is long. Really long actually. I wonder if you can turn the EVF off somehow and see if that makes a difference.

I don't try and use it as I would a DSLR, I use it with the normal modes "i+" or "green i" which works well enough. Sometimes I might use the aperture mode, but typically I let it think for itself which gives good enough results most of the time.

These cameras seem built to last. Mine lives in a small lowepro case, but goes everywhere in my pocket. I'd like to think this cam will last a very long time. Build gives that impression.

In any case congrats again, I hope you take many awesome pictures with it.

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Originally posted by keith_h keith_h wrote:

Congratulations on your acquisition. On two of the points you raise:

"flat" shape, no grip, I am afraid of dropping the camera -
I have a wrist strap attached, problem solved.

battery consumption - I have the MKII which lacks the EVF so I use rear screen only since I have no option. Battery life is long. Really long actually. I wonder if you can turn the EVF off somehow and see if that makes a difference.

I don't try and use it as I would a DSLR, I use it with the normal modes "i+" or "green i" which works well enough. Sometimes I might use the aperture mode, but typically I let it think for itself which gives good enough results most of the time.

These cameras seem built to last. Mine lives in a small lowepro case, but goes everywhere in my pocket. I'd like to think this cam will last a very long time. Build gives that impression.

In any case congrats again, I hope you take many awesome pictures with it.


Hi Keith, thanks for your message.

The EVF seems to make a difference (battery life). I think it's even written in the specs that the battery lasts less with the EVF. I wonder why, it's tiny and the screen is quite large. I also lack (or haven't found yet?) an option to switch off the screen completely and keep running EVF only. It would be nice for some occasions.

I am happy to hear that you feel these cameras to be built to last.

I have also got an extra grip. I have not attached it yet. I have to stick it, it has to be done perfectly and I am always a bit hesitant. Hope it will be better.

Yesterday I found the problem with RAW and lens correction. I have a very old PC (nearly 20 years) with Windows XP and Image Data Converter installed. I can not install the present version. I hope it can do the lens correction. But that's a different problem, I am considering buying a new computer.

Have a nice day!
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It's better to consider the lens to be fixed F2.8.

Not if you shoot at the wide end. The longer zooms in the VI and VII start at f/2.8 even at their widest end.

I am not happy that there is a lack of stereo sound.

Video is recorded in stereo. Are you expecting the camera to play it in stereo?

wide angle RAWs are a problem for me

Old software? Mainstream RAW converters apply lens corrections.

Its IQ seems to be OK for me and I don't regret buying the cheapest available RX-100 camera.

The I and II are certainly cheaper than the III.

I'm really interested if the RX-100 VA's IQ is significantly better - the sensor should be newer, more modern.

IQ for stills is not better with the VA. IQ for video is better, though. It can record 4K.

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