FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Sony RX100III - Electronic Popup viewfinder usage

Author
ruival View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 17 January 2007
Location: Portugal
Status: Offline
Posts: 158
Post Options Post Options   Quote ruival Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sony RX100III - Electronic Popup viewfinder usage
    Posted: 14 January 2017 at 19:21
hi folks,

that it, i'm curious to know how, in what occasions you are you the electronic popup viewfinder to take photographs.

As for my style of photograpy, mainly landscape, cityscape and some travel photography i didn't find (for now) usage for this viewfinder :(
 



Back to Top
al View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 10 August 2008
Country: United States
Location: SF Bay Area
Status: Offline
Posts: 1697
Post Options Post Options   Quote al Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2017 at 02:54
I use the viewfinder when it's bright outside - easier to see than the LCD. And I sometimes use the viewfinder to help stabilize the camera compared to holding the camera with my outstretched hands.
Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 9997
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2017 at 09:54
I don't own the RX100m3 but I can imagine the pop-up EVF is cumbersome. You're out and about, you see something to photograph, you pull your camera out of your pocket and pull up the EVF and want to take a picture - oh, shoot, forgot to pull the finder. On the other hand, if you just turn it on you can immediately use the back screen.

Having said this, I'm on the lookout for an affordable viewfinder for my Ricoh GR as I find that using a viewfinder gets me more involved in the proces, resulting in better pictures and more fun

It sounds that for your kind of photography the EVF has limited benefits - so be it. The mark III still seems to be the RX100 to buy - if I was in the market for one, it would be the one!
Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 3434
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2017 at 15:30
Ever since my first Rollei 35, I've loved pocket cameras with a big bright viewfinder.
The trouble is, with digital there aren't any!
I had high hopes of the RX100 iii EVF, but it is too small, too fiddly, and too fragile.
If you want a pocket digital camera with a decent lens and EVF, you have to look elsewhere than Sony.
Panasonic, for example.
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras . . .
Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 9997
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2017 at 18:03
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Panasonic, for example.
I assume you mean the LX100? That camera is significantly larger then the RX100m3: Camerasizes LX100 - RX100m3

If I compare my Ricoh GR to the Panasonic LX100, the LX100is much larger then the GR: Camerasize LX100 - GR. I said it before and I say it again: if you want a real small camera with an APS-C sensor and great 28mm eq. lens, you simply can't beat the Ricoh GR. It is affordable and it really fits in your pocket. That is why I got one

Btw, Dpreview said about the 1" Panasonic TZ100 (SZ100) "Its electronic viewfinder is easily the most disappointing feature on the ZS100. It's small (almost half the size of what's on the Sony RX100 III/IV)". And the RX100 competitor LX10 doesn't have an EVF.

I think I said it before, did you consider the Ricoh GR as a digital Rollei 35? It has a snap focus setting that is basically like the Rollei 35 and if you want a viewfinder, just add one. It will even be smaller then the LX100. Or did you buy an LX100?
Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
Back to Top
artuk View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 06 July 2007
Country: United Kingdom
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Posts: 3751
Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2017 at 21:59
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I don't own the RX100m3 but I can imagine the pop-up EVF is cumbersome. You're out and about, you see something to photograph, you pull your camera out of your pocket and pull up the EVF and want to take a picture - oh, shoot, forgot to pull the finder. On the other hand, if you just turn it on you can immediately use the back screen.

Having said this, I'm on the lookout for an affordable viewfinder for my Ricoh GR as I find that using a viewfinder gets me more involved in the proces, resulting in better pictures and more fun

It sounds that for your kind of photography the EVF has limited benefits - so be it. The mark III still seems to be the RX100 to buy - if I was in the market for one, it would be the one!


Depends if you want to shoot slow motion video, 4K or at very high frame rates - in which case the mk III isn't the one you want!

Having tried one, I found the EVF rather fiddly, and physically rather small (meaning you have to very accurate when bringing it to your eye).

Have Ricoh ever made an EVF for the GR series? I know for some those optical only finders are popular, but I've never seen the point of something that doesn't let me see shooting data or focus with the camera to my eye (the only use I can see for this is fixed focus and fixed exposure type shooting).

I've actually thought the Mk 1 or Mk 2 were the ones to get if you didn't need or like the EVF, as they are much cheaper in the UK, and if you want to do any flash use, the Mk 2 is the only option (although the RX10 may be a better tool for flash photography).

Personally, I really liked Nikon's 1" sensor DF 18-50 - nobody else makes a pocket camera with such a wide lens and decent zoom range. Alas 1 year after announcing it, Nikon have failed to actually make it - and the "sample" I saw at a trade show last year was a dummy. A shame as for some of us a pocket camera with a decent sensor and an 18-50 lens could be a dream for good light and tripod use for architectural use, city-scapes and maybe landscapes. Let's be honest, at base ISO those 1" Sony sensors are pretty close to sensors in older Canon EOS5D models, without all the in-necessary bulk.
Art
 



Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 9997
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2017 at 22:43
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

Depends if you want to shoot slow motion video, 4K or at very high frame rates - in which case the mk III isn't the one you want!
True, but for a lot of folk the 3 is a better buy.

Have Ricoh ever made an EVF for the GR series? I know for some those optical only finders are popular, but I've never seen the point of something that doesn't let me see shooting data or focus with the camera to my eye (the only use I can see for this is fixed focus and fixed exposure type shooting).
People differ, I like one. And no, there is no EVF for it.

I've actually thought the Mk 1 or Mk 2 were the ones to get if you didn't need or like the EVF, as they are much cheaper in the UK, and if you want to do any flash use, the Mk 2 is the only option (although the RX10 may be a better tool for flash photography).
Not in my book. There are several reasons to prefer the III. First the lens of the mark 3 is better, the tilting of the screen is better, it has the better XAVC codec and a built in ND-filter. Any flash on the RX100 looks ridiculous.

What to buy is of course very personal and depends on your personal needs. If you need a small camera that fits inside a 4k workflow, the 5 will be much better then the 3. If your funds are limited, the 1 might be better (but I would also take a look at Canons offerings), but I feel the 3 is a nice compromise with real advantages over the 1/2 without the cost of the 4/5.

Let's be honest, at base ISO those 1" Sony sensors are pretty close to sensors in older Canon EOS5D models, without all the in-necessary bulk.
I might be a bit argumentative, but, ehm, hell no! They maybe comparable in a lot of metrics, but not in real estate - there is no substitute for a larger sensor. Not everybody sees it, but to me, the bigger the sensor, the better!
Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
Back to Top
al View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 10 August 2008
Country: United States
Location: SF Bay Area
Status: Offline
Posts: 1697
Post Options Post Options   Quote al Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2017 at 06:47
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I don't own the RX100m3 but I can imagine the pop-up EVF is cumbersome.
I agree that it is cumbersome to use, but I've gotten used to it.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Any flash on the RX100 looks ridiculous.
I once had the mk2. I never used a flash on it other than to test it. But if I were to use one, I'd put the small HVL-F20AM on it. Didn't look ridiculous to me.

Mk2 vs Mk3, I prefer the Mk3 for the better lens, the EVF, and the LCD - it can flip up for selfies.
Back to Top
artuk View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 06 July 2007
Country: United Kingdom
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Posts: 3751
Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2017 at 07:52
Originally posted by al al wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I don't own the RX100m3 but I can imagine the pop-up EVF is cumbersome.
I agree that it is cumbersome to use, but I've gotten used to it.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Any flash on the RX100 looks ridiculous.
I once had the mk2. I never used a flash on it other than to test it. But if I were to use one, I'd put the small HVL-F20AM on it. Didn't look ridiculous to me.

Mk2 vs Mk3, I prefer the Mk3 for the better lens, the EVF, and the LCD - it can flip up for selfies.


I've seen an RX100 used for base ISO flash work because of its leaf shutter which can flash sync at any shutter speed. If Sony had implemented wireless flash in it, it could be a winner with the HVL-F20AM or a third party wireless flash controller.

If you look at things that matter such as dynamic range and colour depth at base ISO the 1" type sensors easily match an older EOS5D sensor - yet the amateur Canon loving herd still drag their 5Ds and heavy system in a backpack to stick it on a tripod to do their landscape photos because they know "famous" landscape photographers use Canon (because they are probably sponsored by them). For stopped down base ISO tripod work thee really isn't much benefit to an out of date full frame sensor and a smaller format. The only thing that makes me use full frame Sony is better dynamic range and lower noise for lifting shadows (both useful for e.g. Evening city scapes where there is a lot of dynamic range between bright point sources and dark shadows). If I had a camera with one of those sub-standard old Canon sensors then there would be no benefit to the larger format for resolution, DR, colour depth etc.

Selfies are something I have never cared about, though I know many consumers do. Tilting screens are useful for lots of other things too though, I agree!
Art
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 3434
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2017 at 08:28
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Panasonic, for example.
I assume you mean the LX100? That camera is significantly larger then the RX100m3: Camerasizes LX100 - RX100m3

That was sort of my point!

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


If I compare my Ricoh GR to the Panasonic LX100, the LX100is much larger then the GR: Camerasize LX100 - GR. I said it before and I say it again: if you want a real small camera with an APS-C sensor and great 28mm eq. lens, you simply can't beat the Ricoh GR. It is affordable and it really fits in your pocket. That is why I got one

Yes, the Ricoh looks interesting. But no OVF on board, and I'm not keen on an add-on. Also a fixed 28mm-equivalent lens is of no use to me because the camera in my phone does a superb job of that. I'd be looking either for a fixed 40mm-ish equivalent with enough resolution and pixels for a decent digital zoom, or else a moderate zoom on board (which means either a clever OVF or an EVF).

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


Btw, Dpreview said about the 1" Panasonic TZ100 (SZ100) "Its electronic viewfinder is easily the most disappointing feature on the ZS100. It's small (almost half the size of what's on the Sony RX100 III/IV)". And the RX100 competitor LX10 doesn't have an EVF.

I agree, but the LX100 is really nice, and the EVF is very good.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


Or did you buy an LX100?

No, it's still on the wish list!
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras . . .
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 3434
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2017 at 08:37
At the risk of offending some here, I really think that Sony have gone too far in their quest for miniaturisation. Yes, the RX100s are very clever, and if they were selling at £100-200 UKP they would be worth getting. But at nearly £1000??? please!
Frankly, they are not anywhere near well enough made to justify the over-£500 price tag of the more recent models.

Irrespective of how much money you are prepared to pay for a small camera, there are much better ways to spend your money. On the RX100 the construction is cheap and flimsy, the pop-up things look and feel awful, and how long are they going to last?
Look at the Panasonic range in a camera shop next to the Sony range and see which you think look worth the money, which look as if they've been designed for people to use, and which feel great in the hand. I'm sorry, but all the current Sony pocket cameras look to me like cheap rubbish with a silly price. And that's a great pity, because as we all know, they can make great stuff.

If you look at E-mount, they have done amazing things with that and the latest models look very tempting, BUT: despite having a good smallish camera that will fit in a large pocket or a small bag, they still haven't made a decent compact zoom lens for it. There are good lenses, but (apart from the pancake wides) they're all too big for this end-use scenario, and the 16-50 PZ is old, not that good and extremely fragile.
And there's a yawning gap between a decent E-mount camera/lens combo and the RX100/HX90/WX range.

Edited by Miranda F - 16 January 2017 at 08:43
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras . . .
Back to Top
artuk View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 06 July 2007
Country: United Kingdom
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Posts: 3751
Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2017 at 16:07
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

At the risk of offending some here, I really think that Sony have gone too far in their quest for miniaturisation. Yes, the RX100s are very clever, and if they were selling at £100-200 UKP they would be worth getting. But at nearly £1000??? please!
Frankly, they are not anywhere near well enough made to justify the over-£500 price tag of the more recent models.



Sony have a clearly published financial recovery strategy to make premium products with unique features that are not available elsewhere.

What other pocket camera can shoot 4k without pixel binning, shoot video in super slow motion, or shoot at ultra high frames per second - and still fit in the palm of your hand?

Whilst I too find the price unattractive, its because like you I'm not interested in those unique features - which is why Sony still make and sell versions 1-4, at more attractive prices.

The LX100,isn't the bargain it used to be (£350 was the best price for a while) and the EVF is widely criticised for its poor colour accuracy.

Sony make 5 RX100 camera models, Panasonic make a single LX100. I'm not defending their pricing strategy, but we all have a right to choose what suits us. For you and me its not the mk5, whilst others marvel at what it can do.
Art
Back to Top
al View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 10 August 2008
Country: United States
Location: SF Bay Area
Status: Offline
Posts: 1697
Post Options Post Options   Quote al Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2017 at 17:35
Sony's prices are definitely more than what I want to pay. I bought both the mk2 (later sold) and mk3 used at well below new prices.
Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Equipment forums > Camera Talk > Other camera systems

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the alpha system photographer

In memory of Cameron Hill - brettania

Feel free to contact us if needed.