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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

... it isn't 'really' an 85mm because of the crop factor. In picture taking terms it is more like a 135mm on FF.

85mm is 85mm no matter what camera it's on, and the Sony f/2.8 is a full frame lens. Attach a 135mm to the same camera, whatever that might be, and observe the difference.

So when I get a FF (almost bid for an A850 the other day), I shall still be yearning for a Minolta 85 f1.4.

If the yearning is for narrower DOF, it will be justified; but I've owned both and am happier overall with the compact and sharp Sony, never having needed the wider aperture range of the Minolta.
 



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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

... it isn't 'really' an 85mm because of the crop factor. In picture taking terms it is more like a 135mm on FF.

85mm is 85mm no matter what camera it's on, and the Sony f/2.8 is a full frame lens. Attach a 135mm to the same camera, whatever that might be, and observe the difference.


My guess would be that most people get that (different focal lenghts having different angle of views on the same camera). My guess is furthermore, that you know that wasn't the point

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

So when I get a FF (almost bid for an A850 the other day), I shall still be yearning for a Minolta 85 f1.4.

If the yearning is for narrower DOF, it will be justified; but I've owned both and am happier overall with the compact and sharp Sony, never having needed the wider aperture range of the Minolta.


I purchased the 85/1.8 in e-mount due to it's size and performance. At the same time I am awfully tempted by the new Sigma 105/1.4 . I have given up being rational about my lenses    
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 August 2018 at 20:13
An 85mm F1.4 on full-frame is not magic. I have a Minolta MD 85mm F2 which works well with my focal reducer on E-mount. FWIW: the focal reducer doesn't change the amount of background blur at the same framing/magnification. I prefer the Sony 85mm F2.8 SAM over that Minolta. An 50mm prime on APS-C gives a very similar look while be much more affordable.

I'd like to see more APS-C lenses, but Sony had one of best APS-C SLR lens lineups in A-mount. Canon's EF-S and Nikon's DX lens lineups certainly aren't better.
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Originally posted by Jonas A-R Jonas A-R wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

... it isn't 'really' an 85mm because of the crop factor. In picture taking terms it is more like a 135mm on FF.

85mm is 85mm no matter what camera it's on, and the Sony f/2.8 is a full frame lens. Attach a 135mm to the same camera, whatever that might be, and observe the difference.


My guess would be that most people get that (different focal lenghts having different angle of views on the same camera). My guess is furthermore, that you know that wasn't the point

Oh, I see what he was probably getting at now: the actual field of view of 85mm on APS-C being like a 135mm field of view on FF. I didn't get it at first because 85mm on APS-C is actually quite nice for me, and I can easily use a 50mm to approach the '85mm equivalent' FOV if I want that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 October 2018 at 01:07
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Oh, I see what he was probably getting at now: the actual field of view of 85mm on APS-C being like a 135mm field of view on FF. I didn't get it at first because 85mm on APS-C is actually quite nice for me, and I can easily use a 50mm to approach the '85mm equivalent' FOV if I want that.


That was indeed my point - I too enjoy using the excellent 85mm f2.8 on my APS-C bodies and have 50mm options for the 75mm FF view (but not at f1.4).

What I would like is the shallower DOF of the 1.4 on FF and APS-C. Perhaps I should get a 50mm f1.4 for use on APS-C but, from what I read, they don't seem as good as the 85mm. Of course, their price reflects this, which means, at least, that they are more affordable.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jonas A-R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 October 2018 at 07:27
I have been selling my a-mount lenses for the last year or so. They are going very slowly even when I have tried to price them well relative to eBay and invited offers. Nearly dead silence hear on Dyxum. So if Dyxum is representative for the a-mount market I would conclude that itís not worth it for Sony to produce any new lenses as very few appear to be willing to pay for it.

Edited by Jonas A-R - 28 October 2018 at 07:31
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I am afraid you're correct, Jonas!
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If I may ask, which were the lenses that sold quickest?.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jonas A-R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 October 2018 at 09:31
My 300/2.8 GII did attract some interest and sold relatively quickly.

Among the lenses I sold were these:

Zeiss Distagon T* 24mm f/2 ZA SSM

Sony 35 f/1.4 G

Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.4 ZA SSM

Zeiss Planar T* 85mm f/1.4 ZA

Sony 100 f/2,8 Macro

Zeiss Sonnar T* 135mm f/1.8 ZA

Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-35mm f/2.8 ZA SSM

None of those sold quickly and only the 24/2 went to a Dyxum member if memory serves.

Now I only have a Minolta 16/2.8 fish, the Sony 70-400 GII and some iISO flashes left. They do not appear to be much wanted.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote leathalism Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 October 2018 at 09:53
Dare I say it, people who stay with the A mount, particularly full frame owners realise that every day those Zeiss and Minolta G series lenses are looking better every day.
There are two distinct Sony buyer camps.
1) Those who want new tech with all that goes with it.
2) And those that are happy with quality and donít often replace cameras they are comfortable with.
   Those that are happy with their A77,A99, Alpha 850,900 are usually satisfied with the camera they know intimately, and are happy to use the best Minolta or Zeiss offerings according to their budget.
Not silly really.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jonas A-R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 October 2018 at 10:11
Indeed, I used an a900 for nearly a decade as my only camera.
However, the reason why Zeiss and G glass look better is due to the price depression. A sure sign of low demand.

Edited by Jonas A-R - 28 October 2018 at 10:32
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Post Options Post Options   Quote leathalism Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 October 2018 at 10:44
Oops, it seems you have had a leg over both sides of the fence, obsolescence and possible indulgence Itís a tuffy!.
Ahh you donít have a lazy 400mm f4.5 G just looking for a permanent holiday by any chance?.
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I sold my last a mount lens the original 70-400 g a great copy for 700$ usd on dyxum. But thatís a great price and the guy who bought it is putting it on an emount camera. There is some great a mount glass out there but I donít think itís as good as some of the comparable emount offerings tbh.
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Btw Jonas ar what are you currently shooting with now that you have unloaded all your a mount gear?
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