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Post Options Post Options   Quote PhotoTraveler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 03:30
The reason for 16mm is very very simple.   You need a lens that is wide as practical. A user can always crop to go more tele with it. But if you came out with a 35 or 50mm equivalent (instead of 24mm equivalent) you would have the same issue that P&S cameras have historically had...not wide angle enough.

Most P&S do in the realm of 28-35mm equivalent as their widest. So offering a camera to P&S people that has better image quality than their P&S, and a little lens that gets them wider than they have ever had as an option is a huge plus.

If they brought out a 12 or 14mm, that would be even better, but they probably drew a practical line in the sand. Also Sony has been pretty big into 16mm, with the 16-80, 16-105, 16-35. It works out as a very nice number because with crop factor you get 24mm, which is right where most FF zooms start at anymore (24-70, 24-105). This is where the 18-55 was rather oddball and broke from the nice trend Sony had and went with being common to the other players.

Additionally, one of the main selling points about an EVIL style camera is the wide angle ability with a small cheaper(er) lens over a DSLR. So offering a 16mm that is in-expensive yet very very good is the perfect way to show this. Unless they go ultra cheap on the lens, if it's designed for any level of quality, it's very realistic to expect it's performance to be better than the 16-35ZA (if the ZA was on an APS body). If a reviewer makes that comparison, it will be an impressive sales pitch.

I'm sure more standard and tele primes will come in time. But it's more important to have as wide as possible if you only have one lens to work with than anything else.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote CTYankee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 03:22
Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:

Originally posted by douglasf13 douglasf13 wrote:

   If the 16mm 2.8 is true, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why release your only prime as a wide angle, rather than the more obvious 35mm or 50mm (equivalent) lens? Not to mention that the rumored zoom goes down to 18mm already.



This is one of the major turnoffs for me about the Sony. I like the GF1 except for lack of IBIS (since the 20/1.7 would be my main lens ... actually, this combo is as close as I ever could have asked to my digital 7sII !) I don't care for the Oly's AF or controls, but like the jpeg output and IBIS. Samsung NX10 seems a little underdeveloped. Sony's touch screen doesn't sound ideal, but I could live with it if there were other reasons to go for it. 16/2.8 means no lenses I'm interested in. An Alpha adapter with AF and aperture controls would be intriguing as my 28/2 and 50/1.4 would go nicely (though not nearly as compact as a native pancake lens).

Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


They may very well be releasing a 16mm f/2.8 prime. But that does not mean, in any way shape or form, that there will NOT be other primes released along with it.


It doesn't mean that, but on the other hand, given the direction I've seen in the Alpha line over the last few years, I would assume there would be no more primes until I saw an official announcement.

That's probably true of any of the EVIL systems ... don't bet big on what they might offer down the road.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 23:07
Originally posted by douglasf13 douglasf13 wrote:

    Roweraay, I certainly expect Sony to bring more primes, but time is becoming an issue for me. If they don't show me a small standard lens soon, I'll have to move to another brand to find my A900 complimentary camera.


What I meant earlier was that they would be releasing more than one prime, along with the camera. It does not make ANY sense to release a 24mm equivalent (in 35mm terms, assuming this is an APS-C sensor) as the *only* prime, when releasing a new product.
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I agree Douglas. That's why I find the 20/1.7 on the Panasonic to be more compelling. It's closer to 'normal' than the 17/2.8 and far closer than the 16/2.8 would be on an APS-C body.

I know it's too early to make a decision, but I haven't heard anything about these Sony cameras that makes them more compelling than the Olympus, Panasonic or Samsung cameras.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote douglasf13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 22:29
Originally posted by karaatanasov karaatanasov wrote:

16/2.8 is interesting but not necessarily bad choice - wide angle is cool. No body offers this wide prime fro EVIL cameras at present. I imagine it is nice for taking street shots. It is strange but will set the system apart from the competition.

In terms of classic 24 or 28 would be better choice than 35.

18-55 is kit lens - no more, no less


I'm all for Sony setting themselves apart, but I'm not convinced. How many A900 users here shoot the 24 2.8 as their main walk around lens? I'm sure it isn't the majority.

Roweraay, I certainly expect Sony to bring more primes, but time is becoming an issue for me. If they don't show me a small standard lens soon, I'll have to move to another brand to find my A900 complimentary camera.

As for size, if anything, the 16mm is probably a little bigger than a standard equivalent. Look at Samsung's 30mm f2 lens for their APS-C based NX10. Samsung is supposed to show some new EVILS, and I may go that direction unless Sony shows what primes are coming in the future:



I hope the rumors are wrong, personally, and I'll hold on to my wish that the Sony prime is similar to this Samsung in specs. :)



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Originally posted by douglasf13 douglasf13 wrote:

   If the 16mm 2.8 is true, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why release your only prime as a wide angle, rather than the more obvious 35mm or 50mm (equivalent) lens


Because a 16mm is smaller probably.
 



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Originally posted by douglasf13 douglasf13 wrote:

   If the 16mm 2.8 is true, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why release your only prime as a wide angle, rather than the more obvious 35mm or 50mm (equivalent) lens? Not to mention that the rumored zoom goes down to 18mm already.


They may very well be releasing a 16mm f/2.8 prime. But that does not mean, in any way shape or form, that there will NOT be other primes released along with it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote karaatanasov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 21:58
16/2.8 is interesting but not necessarily bad choice - wide angle is cool. No body offers this wide prime fro EVIL cameras at present. I imagine it is nice for taking street shots. It is strange but will set the system apart from the competition.

In terms of classic 24 or 28 would be better choice than 35.

18-55 is kit lens - no more, no less
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Post Options Post Options   Quote douglasf13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 21:30
If the 16mm 2.8 is true, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why release your only prime as a wide angle, rather than the more obvious 35mm or 50mm (equivalent) lens? Not to mention that the rumored zoom goes down to 18mm already.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote karaatanasov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 21:19
I love the alpha rumors post about AF enabled A mount lens adapter for the new cameras   

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Post Options Post Options   Quote TallPaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 11:01
That site posts whatever they think will generate the most advert traffic, IMHO, there seems little relation to Sony's products!
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rumour (n): gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth

I think the site does live up to its name, and we shouldn't expect any more or less of it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PhotoTraveler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2010 at 03:03
Yeah, Gustav, your still fine in my book.

I mean look at the sony Alpha rumors page. And the "all lenses made of chromium" bit. That's just laughable. I don't think poster of the rumor even as a clue what they are saying on that. Even if you adjust for possible mis translations it doesn't get better. Chromed lenses? no thanks.   Chromium Steel lenses? No thanks, Stainless Steel? Well, that's a bit closer as alpha lens mounts tend to be stainless, but that's nothing to get that excited about. We know our lenses aren't Stainless Steel bodies, or Steel period. So either they totally have messed up, or Sony is having a lot of fun with them. But based on how they wrote it, I think the poster is oblivious to the Chromium nonsense. I would think even the folks who might not know much about metallurgy would at least wikipedia Chromium.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TallPaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2010 at 16:44
Gustav, don't worry, no one is every happy, but at least your comments were in good faith from a Sony source.

That is almost like a press release compared to what usually gets repeated on the internet as fact
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