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Originally posted by douglasf13 douglasf13 wrote:

   Maybe we'll have the choice

A choice? Hello .. it is sony
Joke aside, i don't think Sony will try to attract "traditionalist" here. If they wanted to attract as many P&S users to use their low end DSLR cameras, EVIL ones will be made will go even further here.

And unlike DSLR cameras i believe this approach is the right one (not a personal preference but rather an effort to see it from marketing point of view)
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote springtide Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 14:42

I assume the Sony EVIL cameras will have a new lens mount?

But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF?

In a similar way what was done with the 4/3 -> m4/3 cameras, as the lenses are designed with a specific distance from lens to sensor.

Is this what other people are expecting?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aj700 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 14:51
Originally posted by springtide springtide wrote:


I assume the Sony EVIL cameras will have a new lens mount?

But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF?

In a similar way what was done with the 4/3 -> m4/3 cameras, as the lenses are designed with a specific distance from lens to sensor.

Is this what other people are expecting?



yes... count me too in that list.
besides SSM, how will it be with a normal A mount? like CZ1680? I love that range in a700. I dont care if look akward.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote springtide Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 15:15
Originally posted by Aj700 Aj700 wrote:

Originally posted by springtide springtide wrote:


I assume the Sony EVIL cameras will have a new lens mount?

But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF?

In a similar way what was done with the 4/3 -> m4/3 cameras, as the lenses are designed with a specific distance from lens to sensor.

Is this what other people are expecting?



besides SSM, how will it be with a normal A mount? like CZ1680? I love that range in a700. I dont care if look akward.


I would assume that it would be Manual Focus only (with an adapter).... and manual focus without a viewfinder is not the best, even with 'zoom' focus aids like on the E-P1 and GF1. The focus aids are fine if you can see the screen clearly, but using the focus aids on the E-P1 outside in brightish sunlight was not good.

Also, unless there is an external mic for the sound, the sound that comes from focusing the lens (manual or using AF) or zooming - makes the audio track useless (search on YouTube for examples of the E-P1)

But Sony knows a thing or two about video... so hopefully they'll have done a good job with this EVIL camera for video.

Edited by springtide - 11 March 2010 at 15:19
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Post Options Post Options   Quote frodeni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 16:04
Originally posted by springtide springtide wrote:

But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF?
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Is this what other people are expecting?
No!

Just as with the m43, only m43 lenses make sense. I see no point in using an 85mm f1.4 with the EVIL. I simply do not see the point nor the balance.

What I do see is the death of APS-C DSLRs. Just like the death of Four Thirds. Just as with Four Thirds, I do not expect old lenses to work on new mounts. Plenty of Four Third lenses do not work properly on the Panasonic m43 bodies.

I expect a kit zoom (28-80) a kit tele zoom (70-300), and a kit ultra zoom (28-200). Probably a pancake normal angle or a bit wider, the one shown as a mock-up. I expect this to drain recurses from APS-C development. Most users, by far, will be buying these new lenses on these new bodies, not DSLRs, in a few years.

The pancake is the lens the enthusiasts will want. The success of the mount is pretty much defined by that lens when it comes to enthusiasts: Just as the CZ 24-70 did for alpha.

There is a wild card in all this, and that is the new DSLR alpha bodies. They appear to focus during filming, and how this is done is the big unknown. Sony do not have to make any sort of bridge between the old DSLR and contrast detect, but if they do, it is a huge surprise. That is not Sony, nor Minolta like. (Minolta MF not working on AF, and Minolta AF not working on Vectis). What that would bring is so hard to predict.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 16:26
I think it's interesting that they're putting out parts of the GUI first. There's a lot of really powerful stuff they could do with this camera, but I find it interesting that they show the slider swipe like that, but if it had a touchscreen wouldn't they show someone actually... touching it? Clicking sound implies buttons or wheels...

Another case of "wait and see." Jumping to conclusions about this seems a little pointless.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mud.Starrr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 16:26
Maybe this is interesting:

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Serdar A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 16:33
It lists a different battery than the NP-FM500. I was hoping that the black grip in the pictures of the mock-ups were actually the battery.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TallPaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 17:24
That photo rumours image looks like a fake to me.

NONE of the Sony material shows a hot-shoe, and the one in that image is photo-shopped on (its the wrong scale unless the body is wider than an SLR!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 17:43
The first thing i noticed with this rumor image is that the camera is supposed to record both craw and raw. That is IMHO so non-sony for this type of camera IMHO so i'm quite skeptical about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Winwalloe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 17:45
Errrr we've seen this kind of silly specification list using this template many times.

More BS coming!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote groovyone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 17:48
Originally posted by Winwalloe Winwalloe wrote:

Errrr we've seen this kind of silly specification list using this template many times.

More BS coming!


Exactly.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote springtide Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 18:06
Originally posted by frodeni frodeni wrote:

Originally posted by springtide springtide wrote:

But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF?
...
Is this what other people are expecting?
No!

Just as with the m43, only m43 lenses make sense. I see no point in using an 85mm f1.4 with the EVIL. I simply do not see the point nor the balance.

Frode


I agree totally about standard A-Mount lenses not making sense, but I'm sure Sony will bring out an adapter - to allow it (in the same way as M43)

When I owned an E-P1 I looked into the lens adapters, but even the M43s 14-42 kit lens looked too big for the body. I decided it wasn't worth bothering with other lenses. The Lecia lenses look lovely on the E-P1, but totally impractical without a viewfinder.
On the E-P1, the 43s adapter was L150 - which is probably half the price of a new lens.

I think it would be comical seeing the Sony EVIL with the CZ2470 :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote frodeni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 18:11
Originally posted by Mud.Starrr Mud.Starrr wrote:

Maybe this is interesting:
Not really. There is no quality rumor source for Sony. The best you get is this very forum, and we are about the last ones to know anything. Most of the credible "rumors" on rumor websites are quoted from here or dpr forums.

Please do not cram this thread with pointless and fake rumor site quotes.

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