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Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

It's the aperture control, because it uses their common icon for "narrow" and "wide" apertures, if you've seen the a550 GUI. Focus is controlled on the lens.

I agree that's what the icons look like, however, how do you explain the fact that the aperture value remains constant at F2.8 and the focus changes in sequence with the change in position of the dot on the indicator/slider?
 



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Originally posted by sdm9465 sdm9465 wrote:

I agree that's what the icons look like, however, how do you explain the fact that the aperture value remains constant at F2.8 and the focus changes in sequence with the change in position of the dot on the indicator/slider?


Probably because the software is in beta (or even alpha) stage.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:01
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by TallPaul TallPaul wrote:

Unless you meant the camera actually supporting RAW not just cRAW?

Yes, that's what i referred to. AFAIK, even recent alpha DSLR cameras do not support both but rather just the compressed version so i don't believe Sony will change this with EVIL cameras (i could be wrong of course)
So, i have no doubt that about craw file format or craw+jpg mode but just about uncompressed RAW.


I agree that all cameras in the Alpha range, other than the A900 and A850 (and the A700), only has cRAW (and no RAW) but they call it as "RAW" for marketing purposes. The key giveaway is the wildly variable sizes of the files, depending on the content.

However, just like with dSLRs, I believe the new EVIL products will come with both RAW and cRAW options in the higher specced versions and cRAW-only in the lower-end models.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:07
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

if you use a adapter than you can use A-mount-lenses
if you use SAM or SSM-lenses the AF shall stay

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Thanks for your perspective on this Gustav. That is exactly what I would have expected too. The key here is that such an EVIL mount provides the greatest benefit when it comes to the wides and ultra-wides by enabling very compact lenses.

When it comes to the long teles, there simply will not be a size advantage, which is where a lens like the 70-300G SSM might make sense, because even an EVIL version would be roughly the same size.

Also, I assume there will be higher specced versions of the new Sony EVIL mount cameras (with higher-end features, buttons all around etc), in addition to the consumer-type models shown during PMA. Do you agree ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:09
Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


However, just like with dSLRs, I believe the new EVIL products will come with both RAW and cRAW options in the higher specced versions and cRAW-only in the lower-end models.

Curious about why you think so?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:15
Originally posted by sdm9465 sdm9465 wrote:

Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

It's the aperture control, because it uses their common icon for "narrow" and "wide" apertures, if you've seen the a550 GUI. Focus is controlled on the lens.

I agree that's what the icons look like, however, how do you explain the fact that the aperture value remains constant at F2.8 and the focus changes in sequence with the change in position of the dot on the indicator/slider?


It is probably not actual software but rather a rendered demo.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:17
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


However, just like with dSLRs, I believe the new EVIL products will come with both RAW and cRAW options in the higher specced versions and cRAW-only in the lower-end models.

Curious about why you think so?


That is Sony's philosophy. The higher-end products (whether it be their HDTVs or whether it be their DSLRs or whether it be their higher-end camcorders) do get things that they deny to their lower-end "consumer" brethren. The A900/850/700 gets things like RAW that the "consumer-grade" products don't. The Sony higher-end camcorders (not the half million $ broadcast products) get a huge number of buttons and other manual controls that the "consumer" models do not.....the consumer models go with a more cost saving menu-driven approach. And so on...

They always provided RAW in their higher-end P&S models, upto and including ones like the DSC-V3, DSC-F828, DSC-R1 etc. My old DSC-R1 RAW images (20MB RAW file sizes), would put even my A700 images to shame for sheer quality (and the sheer amount of detail that could be extracted out of it).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote groovyone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:19
Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:

Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


However, just like with dSLRs, I believe the new EVIL products will come with both RAW and cRAW options in the higher specced versions and cRAW-only in the lower-end models.

Curious about why you think so?


That is Sony's philosophy. The higher-end products (whether it be their HDTVs or whether it be their DSLRs or whether it be their higher-end camcorders) do get things that they deny to their lower-end "consumer" brethren. The A900/850/700 gets things like RAW that the "consumer-grade" products don't. The Sony higher-end camcorders (not the half million $ broadcast products) get a huge number of buttons and other manual controls that the "consumer" models do not.....the consumer models go with a more cost saving menu-driven approach. And so on...

They always provided RAW in their higher-end P&S models, upto and including ones like the DSC-V3, DSC-F828, DSC-R1 etc. My old DSC-R1 RAW images (20MB RAW file sizes), would put even my A700 images to shame for sheer quality (and the sheer amount of detail that could be extracted out of it).


My V1 was missing it, despite being in the same class. I don't know that the logic still applies since old Sony had no DSLRs and were using the F series and R series to grab DSLR market share.
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Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:

Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

if you use a adapter than you can use A-mount-lenses
if you use SAM or SSM-lenses the AF shall stay

greetings
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Thanks for your perspective on this Gustav. That is exactly what I would have expected too.


Yes, Guatav's insight is interesting, especially as he just finished spending several days with Sony on their stand at the UK trade show!

I think the EVIL camera will have only a cRAW option labelled RAW would be my opinion.

I cant's see Sony taking any other route. This is for the masses, not us lot wanting a camera for the week(end). If they were designing the camera for us it would have a hotshoe and <insert here 20 features already mentioned>
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:21
Originally posted by groovyone groovyone wrote:

Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:

Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


However, just like with dSLRs, I believe the new EVIL products will come with both RAW and cRAW options in the higher specced versions and cRAW-only in the lower-end models.

Curious about why you think so?


That is Sony's philosophy. The higher-end products (whether it be their HDTVs or whether it be their DSLRs or whether it be their higher-end camcorders) do get things that they deny to their lower-end "consumer" brethren. The A900/850/700 gets things like RAW that the "consumer-grade" products don't. The Sony higher-end camcorders (not the half million $ broadcast products) get a huge number of buttons and other manual controls that the "consumer" models do not.....the consumer models go with a more cost saving menu-driven approach. And so on...

They always provided RAW in their higher-end P&S models, upto and including ones like the DSC-V3, DSC-F828, DSC-R1 etc. My old DSC-R1 RAW images (20MB RAW file sizes), would put even my A700 images to shame for sheer quality (and the sheer amount of detail that could be extracted out of it).


My V1 was missing it, despite being in the same class. I don't know that the logic still applies since old Sony had no DSLRs and were using the F series and R series to grab DSLR market share.


Yes, my old V1 (stolen from a hotel room) was the last of the higher-end cybershot products that did not get RAW....its successor the V3 on, had RAW.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dca1213 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:31
Is it really an EVIL, I have yet to see any pic's of the prototype that indicates that it has a viewfinder.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2010 at 22:39
Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


They always provided RAW in their higher-end P&S models

No doubt about it .. but why you think craw wouldn't be enough for EVIL target base?
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btw, for someone that had V and R1 series cameras you are quite an optimist toward sony . (both product lines were IMHO among the best ones on the market at that time but Sony dropped these)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Winedarksea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 March 2010 at 00:03
Originally posted by hoge-fan hoge-fan wrote:

You can see it from the video here... the video looks same as the previous promotional video, but there is additional info about GUI there... you can also click the bottom one, and see the GUI screenshot. The concept seems like E-PL1, where you adjust on-screen slider for aperture. That's all

http://www.sony.jp/dslr/info2/20100222.html

Additional pics are here

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20100311_353976.html

The link is updated frequently by Sony (content, layout etc) as the time writing.


Any word at all from CP+, HOGE-FAN?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Winedarksea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 March 2010 at 00:13
Originally posted by TallPaul TallPaul wrote:

Based on screenshots I learned:

So it has a f2.8 lens.

It has Sony smile shutter technology

It has SteadyShot.

It can do RAW+JPEG.

It has an onboard flash.

Really shallow DOF with the video, it could have been shot on any number of high end Sony video cameras of course, but wonder if it was shot on the new Alpha with video?


I certainly think they were suggesting that it was shot with the new camera. Not just depth-of-field, but AF.

But I don't think it has SSS, probably to keep the size down. Lenses with IS instead.

Edited by Winedarksea - 12 March 2010 at 00:15
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