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Post Options Post Options   Quote AlexKarasev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2008 at 05:40
Yeah Zoomtron were good guys, but they're out of parts. Hope is for Germany and Japan now.

Thanks for the offer Kelly - much appreciated. I think we can include the accompanying notes with the cameras briefly explaining the situation. If this all works out and if you are a C41 shooter, I have some freezer stored since purchase Royal Gold 25 film for ya :-)

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Hi Kelly, that's a mighty kind offer of you. I'll just hold onto this here 9 body for a while in case something works out. At the very least, I might just never get an SSM lens, and probably won't be worse off for it. I wonder if there will be some more of the old "G" glass on the used market once Sony revs up it production on the high-end glass. That would be good for us 9 users.

On a lighter note , I was thinking about the customs officials in Germany with you showing up with three pro bodies. If they ask, you could just say "I'm on assignment and still shoot slide film for publication. These film bodies are just so old that I have to have TWO backups in case of a body failure!" hehe...I bet they'd go for it these days, with all the talk about how digital is so vastly superior.

A more honest route, you could load one with 100 speed slide film, one with 400 speed slide film, and one with B&W film, and explain you have to have all three ready just in case the perfect shot arises.

EDIT: I just noticed Vitar's "You can still MF!" Yes, I suppose that is true. And for landscape work with that new CZ 24-70, it's probably not a bad option. I'm guessing it will blow the socks off the Minolta 24-105 that I always use (but will look forward to a review before I make up my mind). I hate changing lenses when it's butt-freezing cold out, so my zoom that starts with 24mm gets the most use. Hence the NEED (does my wife read these posts?) for the new CZ 24-70mm.

One last thought: what exactly needed changing out on the circuit board? Is it a controller chip? I wonder if it would be possible to re-write the code on the camera's computer and have it recognize the lens? Anyone know of someone who's programmed a camera? Just thinking out loud here. And yes, that is strange about no ADI parts. Thing is, when they offered an SSM lens, they offered a free upgrade. You would think there would be at least one circuit board made for every SSM lens made, just to be on the safe side (other wise, how could they offer such a thing and not make good on it?)

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Hm.. could someone get a Bremen contact address. I`m living like 100km away from German border, could hop to them some time in the future.
Also there should be no problem with customs, had talk some time ago with chief in capital and he said :
- they don`t touch stuff inside EU and especialy in Shengen zone
- equipment discounted 5 or more years ago is customs free
Also anyone have idea how much they would charge for such service in Bremen ?
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Good luck with your endeavour. I've given up on it; it really depends what you're looking for. Information elsewhere on the Forum suggests that the old HS lenses may even be faster than the SSMs on a body like the 9 with a butch motor (at least this has been said about the 80-200/2.8) but of course you can't use a TC on that one, only on the new SSM ones.

I do feel your pain, as I'm in the same position, but I've decided not to risk sending my 9 abroad, and to stick with second-hand glass when I can find it.

The way this is being handled by Sony and their hapless repair agents here in the UK has caused me to decide:

a) not to go DSLR for the forseeable future
b) when I do, to go elsewhere (I need a company who doesn't drop their customers in the whatsit after three or four years)

However good the A700 and a possible A900 may be (and there was a time when I'd have had both) I need better service and support than Sony seem interested in providing.
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Camera Repair Workshop cannot handle this upgrade. They replied ( promptly as usual ) to the effect that support for the 9 was only ever available in Germany ( Bremen ? ) covering the whole of Europe and the demise of Minolta stopped any chance of it being undertaken elsewhere.

Afraid it all fell into the black hole called Komica or something.

As far as I can tell CRW can handle virtually all of my repair requirements should they arise ( hopefully they won't ). I intend to keep it that way !

Eclipse - as prices of 9s drop it may be worthwhile to get a back-up to share the load and extend the life. Have done that for the 7. Of course if the worst comes to the worst I can always use the 101 more as that one will surely outlast me and knock nails into my cardboard box   
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I will try to contact Portuguese Minolta official repair regarding the upgrade, if they still do it I can take it to them personally, and get mine also upgrade ;)
I know they are able to repair lens like 28-70G and others that need special equipment so maybe they have also the qualification to upgrade the 9.
With my 7D that was still in warranty they have send it to Germany, if it wasn't they would do the repair at their HQ.
This would mean they will inquiry also Germany for parts or upgrade service.

[UPDATE] Just sent an email, when I receive an answer I will update this thread.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2008 at 17:30
You are welcome Jed and Alex. I would like to think that there must be enough parts somewhere for all of us in this little Maxxum/Dynax/Apha 9 Union/Brotherhood/Club. What we could use is someone in Germany or Japan that could be our contact person/middle man. Matthias is our "9" expert in Germany, but I don't think he lives in Bremen.

Posted the Runtime information in my previous post.

Alex do you have the part number for that update kit you purchased on eBay?
It might help in searching for available parts. Unless they were destroyed or thrown out when KM closed up shop, there must be some inventory somewhere in the US.

It would be nice if we could get a show-of-hands from any of our Asian Dyxum forum members that might be able to help us get this done!


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Originally posted by Jed Smith Jed Smith wrote:

(...)Please tell me somewhere out there is some SSM/ADI updated circuit boards for our Maxxum 9s!
Jed


Hi Jed,

want me to ask a Runtime technician if they can help you? The guys there are always helpful btw.. I live in Bremen and will be at Runtimes at the end of coming week.

Regards
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Originally posted by Conny1 Conny1 wrote:

Originally posted by Jed Smith Jed Smith wrote:

(...)Please tell me somewhere out there is some SSM/ADI updated circuit boards for our Maxxum 9s!
Jed


Hi Jed,

want me to ask a Runtime technician if they can help you? I live in Bremen and will be at Runtimes at the end of coming week.

Regards
Conny

Can you ask them how much is ADI/SSM upgrade cost ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2008 at 18:48
Thanks Conny,

Last time we checked it was 150 Euro. Maybe even more import is, do they still have parts, and how many of our camera's can they accommodate?

Was that you that checked with them for me last year? Really appreciate your help!

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Hi Kelly and Xan,

no, I wasn´t that person. As far as I know they can order almost all Minolta parts. I will ask Runtime coming week and let you know if they still do the upgrade for the Dynax 9/SSM....ask for the costs as well then.
Well, they only take orders from persons having an address in Germany and they will accept cash only.
If Runtime can fix your problem, it would be a pleasure for me to do that for you....would also check if there could be a problem at customs.

Greetings
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Thank you for your time and help, Conny! Hope there is good news at the end of the week for us.
I'm a little surprised at the rather cavalier attitude of both KM and Sony toward users of the 9. They must have realized this was the top of their customer base at least at one time, the most exacting users, and those willing to spend their money on more gear. Do they not realize how many still shoot film? Did they read the Kodak survey results?

I still maintain that there had to be (or should have been) close to one circuit board made for every SSM lens they sold - or they could never have given such an offer as a "free upgrade" for purchasers. Where did those circuit boards go? More like, where could they have gone...or were they never made due to financial duress at KM? I don't think it would be reasonable to run small batches of PCB boards, though. And it's not like many pro-users would be comfortable letting them hang onto their 9 for a few weeks while they custom fabbed a new circuit board. There's got to be some parts floating around in a warehouse somewhere.

How much could be done in a software re-write, I wonder? I suppose maybe only Matthias would know that, as he's done some re-programming, I believe.

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It's just another shining example of lack of customer care.
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Originally posted by Eclipse Eclipse wrote:

It's just another shining example of lack of customer care.

I beg to differ. Look at it from the point of view of Sony. They never expected that we would buy every Dynax/Maxxum 9 around and ask them to do the SSM/ADI upgrade. So they never made any preparations to do this and they expected that the limited boards available at the repaircentres would be enough. By the way, they also had a problem with the parts for the 7D, that problem seems to be solved... Still a bummer if you're caught in the middle.

Somebody here mentioned that they had to make an upgrade board for every SSM lens since they offered a free upgrade with every SSM lens. But how may SSM lenses did Minolta sell compared to the numbers of 9's? There might be more 9's then SSM-lenses (I don't know, to be honest) and if that's the case, there are more 9's then upgrade boards. But of course, I probably am wrong.

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