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    Posted: 21 February 2021 at 15:10
Hi everyone,

I appreciate everyones time and input..

I have recently moved from Sony A mount (had a A58) to learn the basics and have moved to a Sony A7r to take things a little more seriously! In due course I'm sure I will perhaps want to upgrade the body further!

For now I just want to grow my lens collection a little and do some experimenting, so therefore my question is should I (with my meagre budget, currently my wife and I are expecting) explore a few APS-C lenses (such as the Kamlans, 7artisans and pergears) or begin the venture into older vintage lenses with the use of adapters?

I really enjoy shooting landscapes as well as doing street and travel pieces and the odd sports style things! I appreciate the use of the APS-c lenses on a full frame camera might seem a little backwards step, just not sure I can stretch to the cost of the big money lenses just yet!

 



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I generally find the quality of those new manual lenses to be better than the old lenses. It is fun to try lenses though.

There are a few full-frame lenses that are pretty affordable. I like the Viltrox/7Artisans 35mm F2. I am selling mine because I have bought the more expensive AF lenses. I'd bet the Meke 50mm F1.7 is very nice.

I also really like the cheap full-frame AF lenses.

I can't recommend any APS-C lenses. I've kept the 20mm pancake for its size, but it doesn't make much sense.

Edited by QuietOC - 21 February 2021 at 15:55
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Welcome to Dyxum Hughjazz,

If you're not sure yet what you like I would say it's best to spent as little as possible on a lens collection. There are plenty of vintage lenses availible between 20 - 100 dollar on ebay or thriftshops. Some of these can deliver top notch image quality if used with sense (and some skill). Let's say 60-70% of what the lastest & greatest (and expensive) lenses can deliver.

Plenty of review sites that have explored vintage glass, this one https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/ almost all lenses ever created
I've never had trouble selling vintage glass for the same or just a little less money.

New MF lenses seem to be either great or meh.

Having one AF (budget) lens with good IQ can be handy at times. I use the Sony FE28mm f/2 for this appilication.



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Firstly welcome to dyxum

Since you title says "starting a serious collection" I'd suggest avoiding APS-C lenses. Start off with a single lens you can afford and slowly build your collection.

If I could only have one lens it'd be a Sony 24-105mm or a tamron 28-200mm. See if you can get a used one for cheaper. If both are out your price range then look for a used 24-70mm f4.

Congrats on your little one... Hope you have a healthy baby. They aren't actually as expensive as you think, the trick once again is to buy used.
The only thing I bought new for my son was the car seat and nappies
Half his stuff are things people were giving away since they were done with it. It's not he understands the difference between new and used, for him everything is the same.
Of course you could also spend ££££ on kids stuff its such a big market but I personally don't get it. They grow out it so soon. The toys he plays with like a week before they get old. no point buying new stuff every week!
he gets new stuff for special occasions like birthdays etc but that's about it.
Anyway this forum is for camera advice not kids    

Edited by nandbytes - 21 February 2021 at 17:05
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Well, I am not sure whether you really want to talk about "collecting" lenses. To me it rather seems that your change from APS-C to full frame has created the need for a set of working lenses with well reputed IQ.

If the latter is the case my first recommendation would be getting a Sony LA-EA4 adapter which would open the whole market of older Minolta AF full frame lenses. I see many of the them now offered for significantly lower prices than their MF Rokkor precursors. As to their IQ: Check the Dyxum lens database. There are many lenses which - mounted to a Sony A7RM4 body with 60 MP sensor - still shine!

Building a versatile set of good older lenses requires quite some time to learn about the market, the prices and finding out how to get a good deal. But that is also fun and has a nice side effect: learning about the history of the camera industry.

If you are then finally heading for "dumb" adapters and manual focus lenses of the film days' SLRs be aware of the fact that it is not necessarily their IQ alone that might be an argument to buy them, but what I would call "character". For example: You will find a lot of images here on Dyxum taken with Meyer lenses. Many of them show quite some amount of "field curvature" and thereby create quite extraordinary ("swirly") bokeh effects wide open. Modern lenses (and the cheap modern lenses produced in China are explicitly included here) lack this character, they are much more perfected optically and show a flat field (the exception may be new production runs of vintage designs - e.g. Trioplans or Petzval lenses). In addition to character the "legacy" of lenses might also be a reason to collect them - but that's where prices go up.

So think about your needs first. Investing in APS-C lenses with a full frame body would be a waste, IMHO. Take your time, investigate, and build up step by step.

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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Since you title says "starting a serious collection" I'd suggest avoiding APS-C lenses.
I disagree, there are good APS-C lenses that could be part of "serious collection". However, it does not make sense to get those since you got the A7r.

When you say A7r, you mean the original, 36mpx, A7r? That one only has contrast based AF. But that just means the AF is less good than the latest/greatest or even your old A58.

Are you only looking at manual focus lenses or auto focus as well? I would look into the Sony 50/1.8, as it is a good, cheap lens. You could always add other lenses later. But a good 50mm prime belongs in a serious collection.

I would steer away from adapted lenses. They have character, but that is because they have more aberrations then modern lenses - even the cheaper ones. You really need to know what you buy for these older lenses.

What lenses did you use most with your A58? And what focallengths? Do you prefer zooms or primes?

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Since you title says "starting a serious collection" I'd suggest avoiding APS-C lenses.
I disagree, there are good APS-C lenses that could be part of "serious collection". However, it does not make sense to get those since you got the A7r.


I didn't mean to imply there aren't good APS-C lenses, I agree there are plenty. Just meant say it doesn't fit a "serious collection" for use on FF bodies.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Since you title says "starting a serious collection" I'd suggest avoiding APS-C lenses.
I disagree, there are good APS-C lenses that could be part of "serious collection". However, it does not make sense to get those since you got the A7r.


I didn't mean to imply there aren't good APS-C lenses, I agree there are plenty. Just meant say it doesn't fit a "serious collection" for use on FF bodies.
Ah, it seems we are in agreement
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I am in an almost similar position having had the A58 for many years, and getting a new A7Rii after using the Nex-6 for a couple of years. The difference is I already have a large collection of lenses, though whether it is a serious collection or humorous one I leave others to judge.

For me one of the main reasons to get the A7Rii rather than the Aii or Aiii was in order to get a reasonable resolution in APS-C mode with some PP crop capability left. Obviously everyone's experiences and preferences differ, but to summarise my current feelings:

- A few of the A-mount APS-C lenses are more or less useable on FF (particularly if you like square crops or 16:9 images which both remove the troublesome corners), but none of the E-mount ones are. So in general, with an A7R you can afford to use APS-C lenses at their intended image size.

- Is this worth doing? Yes and no ... There's little point in using the basic A and E kit zooms when the cheap 28-70mm f3.5-6.3 OSS is actually pretty good. But I would never consider buying an FF tele zoom when the APS-C ones are so good, so cheap, and so much smaller. I'd single out the Sony A-mount 55-200 and 55-300mm here, which will do me nicely. But your A7Ri lacks IBIS and as some kind of stabilisation is almost essential for long teles, you'd be better off with the E 55-210 OSS.

- A-mount lenses are a mixed bunch. I'm still working through mine, but several of those I've enjoyed on film are simply not up to the job on the Rii, with soft dark corners and CA, not to mention colour tints that are different enough from E-mount lenses to make swapping lenses problematic. However ...

- The cheaper Minolta lenses do provide a very cheap way of exploring the focal ranges and characteristics. For example, if you like wide angles, should you be aiming at an FE ultra-wide zoom, or will one or two primes be better? One of the A-mount wides (I have the Cosina 19-35mm) can answer the question for you, if you take it out and find (as I did) that almost all the shots were taken at one end or the other and hardly any in the middle.

I have the LA-EA1 which I've opened out the baffles in to give FF performance, but it still reads as APS-C so I need to turn off auto-crop for FF lenses. I prefer the size of this to the LA-EA2/4 so I don't often use screw-drive A-mount lenses on the A7Rii unless I'm happy to MF them.

FWIW, after the 28-70 FE OSS I'm intending to pick a few primes as my main FE purchases. The Samyang 18mm AF FE will probably be the first as I like to get a decent amount of sky into wide views. My SAL85mmf2.8 on LA-EA1/3 will do me for those rare portraits until I fancy getting something bigger and single-purpose.
I'll probably pick a 35mm f1.8 (see recent thread) as I like a nice prime for waling around new towns.

Edited by Miranda F - 21 February 2021 at 20:15
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
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