STF mode in Maxxum 7 recreated for DSLR's |
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dd001
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 09:53 | ||
Nice experiment, thanks a lot for sharing
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matthiaspaul
Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2006 Country: Germany Status: Offline Posts: 940 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:12 | ||
The Minolta Dynax 7 STF mode is based on an automatic multi-exposure of 7 shots with a constant exposure of 1/7th each, shifting both, aperture and speed at the same time.
The Minolta patents describing the background of this feature can be found in this thread: http://www.mi-fo.de/forum/index.php?showtopic=22619 [de] Since the DSLRs don't support multi-exposures, unfortunately, I would try to shot 7 exposures with constant (correct) exposure, shifting aperture and speed, and then combine them in postprocessing with a weight of 1/7th each, or shot with 1/7th and add the values of all 7 shots in postprocessing. Greetings, Matthias |
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TallPaul
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:57 | ||
Actually DSLR's can do multiple exposures, its just ours that can't! I forget which bodies have it, but some definitely do, possibly the Fujifilm S5 or a Nikon body from memory.
Can't see why they can't do it in-camera with enough processing, would expect A850/900 to have the horsepower. I must confess I have never tried the STF mode on my 7, but, you can guess what I will be doing later |
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MarkSangenito
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 14:34 | ||
count the canon 7d in there too, but I dont think that was intentional, haha. Really well done photoman, seems to work well, and a pretty ingenious process. |
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photoman
Senior Member Joined: 17 August 2009 Country: United States Location: Ohio Status: Offline Posts: 373 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 14:36 | ||
Upon close inspection of the individual images from the 50mm, I didnt notice any real shift in focus between the different images. The focus may shift on other lenses, but I don't know. The sharpness of the in-focus parts of the final composite seem to be on par with that of the image shot at f/3.5. Of the individual images, the one shot at f/3.5 is definitely the sharpest. |
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photoman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 14:41 | ||
Also, feel free to share your results. I am interested to see how it works on the many different lenses of Sony/Minolta. Especially the high end large aperture lenses that I cannot afford to test myself.
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kefkafloyd
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 16:27 | ||
The a500/550's auto HDR mode is multiple exposure. |
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wallyb
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 16:35 | ||
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skm.sa100
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 16:50 | ||
It was much simpler in the film days. Just don't move to the next and you'll get as many multiple exposures as you want. Especially where manual forwarding was required.
In DSLRs, the captured picture is written out to the card. How will the camera know which image is to be superimposed on? Maybe the latest image? The user will probably have select a picture and tell the camera that multiple exposure is needed for that picture. The camera will end up taking a second picture and blend them together. This is exactly what we do in an editor which supports layers. Maybe it's computationally expensive and hence isn't that widely supported. Surely this is one of the most frequently requested features. There's gotta be a good explanation why it isn't supported widely. |
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beline
Senior Member Joined: 11 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 614 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 16:56 | ||
Do you know what the irony is here?
The CHDK firmware project. They have had multi exposure HDR for some time now, and they could implement this STF mode in a heartbeat. And they very-well MAY if they get wind of it. And you know why thats ironic? Because a rebel project, unfunded, contributed to by janitors and web designers will implement a feature on a camera before Sony ever considers it. Or considers considering it... Lame... |
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TallPaul
Senior Member Joined: 17 March 2006 Country: United Kingdom Status: Offline Posts: 2824 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 16:57 | ||
If my Minolta XD7 can do multi exposures and came from eBay for less than a Sony strap, you would have thought an A900 could
Sure you can do it on computer, but the camera is a tool, and I have lots of tools that do the same job, but sometimes I prefer to use a certain type of tool to another, its nice to have an option. |
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beline
Senior Member Joined: 11 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 614 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 17:01 | ||
Oh, and in regards to implementation, You would have the camera take the shots, automatically varying the settings, buffering the frames and running a quick algorithm to calculate the final frame.
The process would actually smooth out random noise, and I would be happy if it was limited to JPG mode. However, limiting it to JPG wouldn't make sense, as doing the math on the compression algorithm would actually entail more overhead. I don't know, just my 10cents. |
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Gabriel
Senior Member Emeritus Member Joined: 05 December 2006 Location: France Status: Offline Posts: 1931 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 17:01 | ||
On my side, I find it easier in a DSLR. In the digital cameras featuring multi-exposure (I'm using a k20d myself, but several other ones also provide this feature), you can choose to either do an additive multi-exposure (in the same way as on film) or an averaging multi-exposure. While both modes have different uses, the possibility to let the camera handle the averaging itself ease the process. If you want to combine 7 exposures (as an example), you can simply take 7 consecutive correctly exposed pictures. In the film days, you had to take 7 consecutive pictures exposed to 1/7th of a correct exposure. Of course you could do it, but automation doesn't hurt here. |
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skm.sa100
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2009 at 17:05 | ||
Full points to you for trying! I don't know what I was thinking. Yes, normal mode is the way to go, sorry! |
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