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    Posted: 15 March 2019 at 03:54
Hi All.

I hope someone can answer this probably stupid question, but I’ve been on the Internet and into some of my books and got no answers.
Here it is.
I like to take street photographs of dogs...sometimes pigeons.
I’m in for a new lens and my one is too big 100-300 , 30 years old Minolta and the other one a kit Minolta also 30 years old.
I’ve got the Sony Mark II a77 Camera.
I’m looking at the 16-300 Tamron vc macro lens , vs the Tamron 70-300 vc lens.
The 70-300 gets far better reviews than the 16-300 macro.
My problem is this, once I bend down to take a photo of the dog ,
it comes and just sniffs at me so I have to be a bit further away , it also follows me .
That’s the question. How far away in meters is the 70- 300 lens at 70..
I can’t work it out to be comfortable to be at a distance so the dog doesn’t come to lick me, but not too far away either.
I don’t want to be hiding behind a wall.
I also want to be able to take the dogs eyes close up.
I know I can use the 16-300 in every way. But the reports are that the images aren’t very good.
Any recommendations and help for me would be greatly appreciated .
Thanks
Kristín.

MOD EDIT: CHANGED Mark II 7 camera to Mark II a77

Edited by stiuskr - 16 March 2019 at 02:12
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2019 at 11:02
The Tamron 16-300mm is a lens available for Sony A-mount, but not for E-mount/FE-mount. But it does not fit in a second regard: you need a full frame lens for the Sony A7II - and the Tamron 16-300mm is an APS-C lens, i.e. for a cropped sensor.
If you want to use an A-mount lens on the Sony A7II you need an adapter: LA-EA3 for lenses which have an in-lens AF drive or LA-EA4 for screw-drive lenses (like your old 100-300mm Minolta lens).
The Tamron 70-300mm is an A-mount lens and is a very good one, at least in the SP version. But MFD (minimum focal distance) is 1500mm, i.e. 1.5 meter! You find this information - among many others - in the DYXUM lens database.

In your case there are only two zoom lenses dedicated for Sony FE-mount in your range: the Sony FE 24-240mm - MFD 0.5m - and the Sony FE 70-300mm - MFD 0.9m. Although the MFD is shorter I would advise against the 24-240mm - it is really not a good lens. The Sony FE 70-300mm is much better, but also more expensive.

At the end I would rather bring in another candidate: The Tamron Di PZD 28-300mm lens - it's the full frame brother of the 16-300mm - and you have to use the LA-EA3 adapter for it on the Sony A7II - so it's not an inexpensive solution. But MFD is 0.49m. I have both, the Sony FE 24-240mm and the Tamron Di PZD 28-300mm and the Tamron is clearly the much better lens.

AS you see: There is no easy solution to your problem.

Edited by waldo_posth - 15 March 2019 at 11:05
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2019 at 11:24
Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

I have both, the Sony FE 24-240mm and the Tamron Di PZD 28-300mm and the Tamron is clearly the much better lens.

That's certainly interesting. I have wondered how well that Tamron would do on an A7II. One sample of each is not much data.

Edited by QuietOC - 16 March 2019 at 02:53
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Hi Waldo, Thank you for your reply.
While reading it I saw my mistake , my camera is the a77II so not a full frame camera and it’s a mount.

Sorry for the confusion.

So any of those Tamrons will fit it I think , even with the vc ?

Also please explain what “Compact “ means in the Minolta 70- 300.

Thanks Kristín.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 02:26
Hi Kristen, I edited your original post to Mark II a77 which we usually refer to as the a77II or a77M2 but no big deal. The two Tamron lenses you mentioned will work with your camera but they won't have VC, the reference to compact is to the 100-300 Minolta meaning that it is smaller and lighter than the Tamron 70-300 but are you saying the Minolta 100-300 you now have is too big for your use? What do you mean by big, are you talking about the size of the lens or is the 100mm focal length too long?

Edited by stiuskr - 16 March 2019 at 02:30
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 02:37
Originally posted by Kristin Kristin wrote:


So any of those Tamrons will fit it{A77II} I think , even with the vc ?

There's no Tamron with "VC" for the A77II. There are non-VC versions of many Tamron lenses that will work on your A77II. They do lack features of current Sony lenses.

The Sony DT 18-135 SAM is very nice if you don't need so much focal length. It gives you a nice wide angle and very fast AF. The Sony DT 18-135 SAM focuses down to 18 inches. The Tamron 16-300 focuses to 15.3 inches, but I suspect it does it much slower.

If you do want more focal length I recommend the Sony DT 55-300 SAM instead of the Tamron SP 70-300 USD. The smaller Sony DT 55-200 is also nice and very compact and focuses closer.

Edited by QuietOC - 16 March 2019 at 14:14
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kristin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 06:44
Hi Waldo.
No the 100-300 isn’t too big to use as such. But I have to stay too far away from the dog or subject. If I try to go nearer it goes all blurred.
My question was how near the dog can I get with a 70-300 lens.
I’m not good at distances so in meters Or feet will do.
Regard Kristín.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 10:20
It sounds that the minimum focus distance is your problem. The Minolta 100-300 can focus up to 1.5 meters and it sounds that you want to get closer. In the Lensdatabase this number is mentioned. However, 1.5 meter (1500mm) is normal for zooms going out to 300mm. The Sony 70-300G has a slightly better 1.2 meter, the Tamron 70-300 LD Macro has a macro mode that allows you to go to below 1 meter (950mm). Depending on the version of your 100-300, the Sony is slightly or much better and the Tamron is comparable (slightly better or worse) to your 100-300.

Hope this helps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 12:55
It sounds to me that a lens that goes to 400mm or 500mm would suit your needs better then being able to get closer to the dogs.
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Many Thanks for your reply and advise.
Kristín.
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I have a Tamron 16-300 and love it - it isn't the sharpest lens available at any specific length, but it is easily the best A mount hyperzoom I have experienced. Minimum focus distance is 390mm - pretty close. Sadly I don't have an A77ii to use with it, but it focuses quickly on my A77 and is far better in all respects than the old Minolta 100-300mm (non APO), which I also have. If you are happy with the image quality of the 100-300 you won't be disappointed by the 16-300.

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