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    Posted: 19 December 2021 at 09:46
Hello forum,
I need an advice as GAS is growing in me I am feeling confused in understanding how to proceed with this situation.
I have some nice Rokkors I use for landscape shots on my a6000 and I love them and shooting landscapes too. I also have an AF apsc lens kit I love and do not want to change.
I have the chance to acquire a like new a7 for 350. I would use it onlyMF as I have kids and do not want to sell 24/1.8 and maybe struggle with a7 af.

Should I buy this a7 or just pass and kep6pract keep practicing with my a6000?
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I was shooting with a NEX6 and A6000 when a very good offer for an A7 popped up a few years ago, not as good as your offer but still very attractive at that time. Main reason was to use the manual focus lenses (mostly primes) at the FoV they were designed for and have never regretted it.

I even liked it so much that the A7 was complemented with an A7ii and then A7Rii (and the A7 sold to another Dyxum member).

I still use my A6000 when I want to travel real light but the two FF E-mount bodies I have now do 90% of the work.

Don't know if it would be the same for you but if you can afford it it's certainly worth a try.

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If I were you , I'd go for it .
I have several full frame cameras and several APS-C cameras and I use them for different purposes , so having the choice is nice .

At the price your paying for it , if you didn't like it you could sell it on .
Possibly for a profit .
They typically sell for about £400 here , so more than your being offered it for .

So if you've got the money spare , go for it .
You've not much to lose .
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GAS is dangerous, I know.

But, using lenses at the FoV they were designed for, is a nice goal, especially when it isn't too expensive.
You have one advantage: you already own (F)E-lenses. I didn't when an A7R was offered to me.

But, as Pegelli says: worth a try.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2021 at 11:17
Your thinking makes sense. Using the A6000 for day to day photography and the A7 to be used for photography fun.

Unlike Pegelli, my A6400 (as my A6000 before0) does the main part of my photography because it is easy to bring and the APS-C lenses are smaller then the full-frame ones. Ideal for family outings!
I use my full frame camera for "serious photography" - when photography is the aim of the outing, I bring that with a couple of primes.

The A6000 is a fine camera that still works fine. Full frame is not magic (but is nice ). If you can afford it, it is worth a try.
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The sensor in the A7 and A7II is not as efficient as the one in the A6000. You will get more noise when taking a similar looking capture.

I used a Zhongyi Lens Turbo II for SR lenses that worked pretty well with some of them. It even makes the sensor look larger. It should be considerably cheaper than an A7. It does add a lot of mass which makes the A6000 handle even worse. I tried one of the cheaper focal reducers before the Lens Turbo and would not recommend them.

I liked giving up the Lens Turbo when I picked up the A7II. I also much preferred using the A7II in general. I am not sure about the A7 handling. I know it is considerable different than the later models.

I don't know how much worse AF is on the older model either. The A7II only failed with tracking action, which the A6000 is also not great at or even the A7RIV.

After getting the A7II, I pretty much stopped using the A6000 and eventually sold it.

I now have a Fotodiox tilt-shift adapter for SR lenses, which allows stitching larger than full-frame format captures. It might make more sense with lenses designed for a larger than full-frame format. The Lens Turbo didn't cover a full-frame sensor well at all.

Edited by QuietOC - 19 December 2021 at 12:21
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2021 at 12:05
Interesting. Went to Dpreview to compare the noise between the A7 and the A6000. In JPG there is little difference, looking at the RAW pictures, I notice the A6000 has more colour noise then the A7. So, yes, the difference between the A7 and the A6000 is less then expected.

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Some time ago I used a Metabones lens turbo for my A6000 - which came at about the price at which your bargain is offered. It didn't work for me and I had to sell it again.

Since I got to FF with the A99 the A6000 always was my second camera (and the first one for traveling). It's a great camera which I have given up only for the A6500. I will definitely keep an APS-C body: too many advantages with size and weight on the top of my list.

Like you and Pieter I also have been offered - quite early, though - an A7 and I accepted it as well - for very similar reasons (using vintage glass from the film days at their intended focal length - to mention the most important one). But I would have a look at the shutter count. Mine had 1500 which meant it was "as new". These shutters are built for high counts but I would abstain from the offer if the count would be more than 50,000. I still have the A7 - it's now going to be converted to a full spectrum body. Ergonomics are absolutely ok for me - almost no difference with the A6000.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Barrin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2021 at 09:40
Thank you very much guys, you all agree with my feelings.
This is a very good deal and a nice addition to my gear.
I also have a Pixco speedbooster but I use it only for the MD 24/2.8 and MD 50/2 if I need the F2 DoF or the extrace wide angle(I have 1.5x primes and prefer swapping primes instead of using it) and however I see some smearing and CA on corners with it (also on MD35/2.8) and a FF test is the only way to understand whether it's due to the speedbooster rather than the lens.

However, even if this is not such a big expense, it is quite large for what I usually spend on photographic gear (I tend to sell and rebuy rather than investing, that's how I got my a600 selling the A58 and the 24/1.8 selling the 20/2.8 and the 50/1.8) and I asked my wife who off course disagrees on this.

I'm fine with that decision, the only way is understanding if I cuould swap entirely to A7, using the 24/1.8 and the a6000 body to found the change togther with a Samyang 35/2.8, but I'm doubtful about the overall benefits.

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One point worth remembering: with a full-frame sensor, you can use crop mode if you want to use APS-C lenses or otherwise utilize just the centre portion of the image. Granted, with α7 (series) such cropping will eat significant amount of the megapixels compared to dedicated APS-C body with a sensor with similar resolution, thus to best enjoy this practice you might want a body from α7R series (or α1).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2021 at 10:22
Originally posted by Barrin Barrin wrote:

I asked my wife who off course disagrees on this.
You didn't tell her she could use the one camera when you use the other one?

For AF use I think the A6000 is the better one.
You might also want to look here: https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/sony-vs-sony/sony-a7-vs-a6000-the-10-main-differences/
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Barrin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2021 at 10:32
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by Barrin Barrin wrote:

I asked my wife who off course disagrees on this.
You didn't tell her she could use the one camera when you use the other one?

For AF use I think the A6000 is the better one.
You might also want to look here: https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/sony-vs-sony/sony-a7-vs-a6000-the-10-main-differences/


Thanks for the link.

She dislikes taking pictures with cameras as of now..last week I gave her the a6000 to take some candids of the open dance lesson of opur daughter but she used the phone instead..
Few years ago I gifted her a Polaroid snap touch she almost never used, and when my son broke the lifting lever to switch it on I managed to trade it for the 24/2.8 rokkor...

Edited by Barrin - 20 December 2021 at 11:13
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Originally posted by Barrin Barrin wrote:

Thank you very much guys, you all agree with my feelings.
This is a very good deal and a nice addition to my gear.
I also have a Pixco speedbooster but I use it only for the MD 24/2.8 and MD 50/2 if I need the F2 DoF or the extrace wide angle(I have 1.5x primes and prefer swapping primes instead of using it) and however I see some smearing and CA on corners with it (also on MD35/2.8) and a FF test is the only way to understand whether it's due to the speedbooster rather than the lens.


I believe the poor focal reducer I tried was the Pixco. The Lens Turbo II is much better in the corners.

Wide film lenses like the Minolta 24/2.8 have more issues with optical converters and even with the cover glass on sensors. The little native Samyang 24/2.8 gives much better corners and generally costs less than a used MD 24/2.8.

Focal reducers seem to work best on the same lenses as teleconverters--well corrected, dim, long focal lengths. The exact opposite of the lenses people want to use with reducers.

The MD 50/2 worked pretty well on the Lens Turbo II, but not as well as the little native Samyang 35/2.8. And the little Samyangs are far from the best native FE primes. The Tamron 35/2.8 is amazing. I recommend selling the Rokkors.

Edited by QuietOC - 20 December 2021 at 12:09
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