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I have added 3 more teleconverters:

Promaster 1.7X
Kenko 2X MC7
Phoenix 2X MC7
16/2.8 24/2.8 28/2 28/2.8 35/2 50/1.4 50/1.7 50/2.8 85/1.4 100/2 100/2.8 180/3.5 200/2.8 300/4 400/5.6 500/7.2 500/8

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Interesting. The matched TC shots look better to me than the zoomed in originals.
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I have added a 140% and 200% of original images for comparison.
16/2.8 24/2.8 28/2 28/2.8 35/2 50/1.4 50/1.7 50/2.8 85/1.4 100/2 100/2.8 180/3.5 200/2.8 300/4 400/5.6 500/7.2 500/8

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Originally posted by bengeo bengeo wrote:


Very interesting comparison. One thing I did notice was that the "1.4X TCs Compare Center @ F4" 200 + 1.4x image says "F22" on it?

Andy


Oops, I picked the wrong picture, I'll update it with the correct one ASAP. Thanks for letting me know.


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Thanks for sharing. Great info and useful information for all.
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Very interesting comparison. One thing I did notice was that the "1.4X TCs Compare Center @ F4" 200 + 1.4x image says "F22" on it?

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Originally posted by eccl eccl wrote:



If the 200 G is HS it should have a focus hold button.


Yes, but I believe he was wondering whether his was an upgraded original or not. The original doesn't have the focus hold button but if it has been upgraded I believe the AF speed is similar to the newer version. I don't know an absolute way to verify if it has been upgraded...

Originally posted by eccl eccl wrote:


I only use ver II or D or Sony TC with my 200 G. I believe ver I has faster focusing due to the difference in gearing ratio. You cannot go wrong with either ver I or ver II as the optical still remain the same.


I recently switched from a ver.II to a ver.I on my 1.4X
The ver.II has a gear ratio of 1:2, where as the ver.I is 1:1
I have visually verified this difference. I have experienced no problems at all with either version T/C on the 200G. Ver.I is faster though. Same speed as without any T/C at all.

I haven't found a ver.I 2X yet so I'm still using the ver.II
The gear ration on the ver.II 2X is 1:4 but I'm not sure what the gear ration is for the ver.I 2X My guess would be 1:2

This test was very helpful for me because I never realized what a difference stopping down makes. Without the T/C the 200 is such a sharp lens that I never worry about stopping down. Also, I guess I somehow thought that at f/4 with the 1.4X or f/5.6 with the 2X you are already stopped down but the fact of the matter is that the lens is wide open.

Thanks for the great info.
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As usual Ed you have come up with something informative and useful -- a magnum opus on tcons.

Thanks very much.
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Originally posted by ab012 ab012 wrote:

very interesting results. damn the 200G is good

with the 200G+2xAPO - is the change in colour of the 'united' when wide open CA or something else?


I believe the TC has something to do with the color cast.
16/2.8 24/2.8 28/2 28/2.8 35/2 50/1.4 50/1.7 50/2.8 85/1.4 100/2 100/2.8 180/3.5 200/2.8 300/4 400/5.6 500/7.2 500/8

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Originally posted by dd001 dd001 wrote:

Wow, nice and interesting comparison, thanks for taking the time to do it!

David

PS: One typo I think:
The last item should not be:
200 APO + 2X APO TC vs Sigma 400 APO TELEMACRO vs 100-400 APO Center F16
But
200 APO + 2X APO TC vs Sigma 400 APO TELEMACRO vs 100-400 APO Edge F16


Thank you for letting me know. I have fixed the typo
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Originally posted by gsaronni gsaronni wrote:

Great work. Someday I will get the Minolta 2X APO TC, but still not decided because I dont know if my 200G is HS or not(the seller told it was upgraded, but I dont know how to check)

Wich version would be more interesting, the I or II? I have heard the II version is very slow with non HS 200G

Regards


If the 200 G is HS it should have a focus hold button. I only use ver II or D or Sony TC with my 200 G. I believe ver I has faster focusing due to the difference in gearing ratio. You cannot go wrong with either ver I or ver II as the optical still remain the same.
16/2.8 24/2.8 28/2 28/2.8 35/2 50/1.4 50/1.7 50/2.8 85/1.4 100/2 100/2.8 180/3.5 200/2.8 300/4 400/5.6 500/7.2 500/8

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Originally posted by jrfarrar jrfarrar wrote:


Fantastic and thanks for your time doing that!

Of course you knew I was going to ask for more though right?

How about adding in the exact same crop but just with the 200/2.8? Show the difference in blowing up vs adding TC?

Clearly the matched converter outperformed but I was surprised how much difference in color between them.


Good idea, I'll try to add the same crop of the 200/2.8 blow up 1.4 times and 2 times.

I was surprised too regarding the color as I have not changed anything on my camera (A100 AWB on tripod 2sec mirror locked up with RC-1000S) just using different TC.
16/2.8 24/2.8 28/2 28/2.8 35/2 50/1.4 50/1.7 50/2.8 85/1.4 100/2 100/2.8 180/3.5 200/2.8 300/4 400/5.6 500/7.2 500/8

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Wow, nice and interesting comparison, thanks for taking the time to do it!

David

PS: One typo I think:
The last item should not be:
200 APO + 2X APO TC vs Sigma 400 APO TELEMACRO vs 100-400 APO Center F16
But
200 APO + 2X APO TC vs Sigma 400 APO TELEMACRO vs 100-400 APO Edge F16
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Posts: 2677 		Post Options Post Options   Quote ab012 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2007 at 18:20
very interesting results. damn the 200G is good

with the 200G+2xAPO - is the change in colour of the 'united' when wide open CA or something else?
Bernard

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