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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2020 at 10:05
Oh Bob, you're taking this film challenge to new heights, first exposing 35 mm film in a 6x6 camera using the perforated edges and now shooting with partially dismantled cameras. I applaud your innovative take on the "challenge" part
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2020 at 10:34
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Oh Bob, you're taking this film challenge to new heights, first exposing 35 mm film in a 6x6 camera using the perforated edges and now shooting with partially dismantled cameras. I applaud your innovative take on the "challenge" part


That or I'm in need of comitting...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2020 at 19:31
I'm fairly close to the end of my SR7/SRT101 roll and have one from the Autoreflex TC ready to process as well. Loaded a film into the Dynax 5 today and picked up some more film (4 rolls of Kentmere Pan 400, plus some Retropan 320).

For anyone who is interested, 35mmc posted my SRT Review today

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2020 at 09:46
I mentioned my 'modified' Autoreflex TC and thought I would show a pic of it with the other 'pocket' cameras I've been using recently.



I'm guessing that Dad had to remove the front leatherette in order to clean the camera up properly - and that stuff tends to distort very easily - the little grip would seem to be something he just wanted me to try out at the time - but it is very much appreciated. The other change was to the lock nut for the self timer.

I noticed towards the end of the Auto S3 roll that the glass in front of the rangefinder was loose, so I decided to take the top off to glue it back in place - while trying to screw the wind on crank back on, I applied too much upward pressure as I was holding the spindle with some needle-nosed pliers - and it popped the back.

The other two cameras still have film to go - the Minox is always interesting - it has a great lens, but the mechanism is finickity and the loading is such a pain that I'm always quite surprised to get anything out of it... should be OK this time as the rewind crank has been going round, but never quite enough to convince that everything is OK. I think I may have started the Olympus film before the challenge, so that film might not be out of the whole 36. I've actually been using this enough recently to have exhausted one set of zinc-air batteries...

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OK here's the result of a test roll to make sure everything is working and also trying to regain muscle memory of a basic workflow. My thoughts
  1. I need to dust and vacuum the area around the scanner

  2. Most things surprisingly work despite being idle for years

  3. The 65mm Super Angulon and 150mm Nikkor are joys to use

  4. The 47mm is great but a pain to set up with bag bellows and fiddly to use with a recessed lens board

  5. The older 90mm and especially the 210mm show their age, and are a bit disappointing

From here I'll probably do some day-long expeditions with either the 47mm by itself or the 65mm and 150mm in combination...after Oktoberfest is finished. Phew.


Arca Swiss F-Line | Schneider 47mm f/5.6 Super Angulon XL | f/16.0 | 1/4s | ISO320


Arca Swiss F-Line | Schneider Super-Angulon 65mm f/5.6 | f/16.0 | 1/4s | ISO320


Arca Swiss F-Line | Schneider Super-Angulon 90mm f/8 | f/16.0 | 1/8s | ISO320


Arca Swiss F-Line | Nikon Nikkor-W 150mm f/5.6 | f/16.0 | 1/8s | ISO320


Arca Swiss F-Line | Schneider Symmar 210mm f/5.6 370mm f/12 | f/16.0 | 1/10s | ISO320
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2020 at 15:19
Greg this looks great! I wouldn't mind seeing a shot of your set-up of the camera and lenses you use. What film/negative size are you using for these?


I agree dust is a big pain for film photography, but I'd rather spot away dust in photoshop with the healing and/or clone brush vs. the old days in the chemical darkroom for which I used ink and a small sable hair brush on the final print.
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing a shot of your set-up of the camera and lenses you use. What film/negative size are you using for these?
Hi Pieter, see here:

Camera is an Arca Swiss 6x9 F-classic. It's quite a nifty design, light and versatile.Here is a link showing the range.

Images above were taken with a 6x7 roll film back but I'll probably end up using the 6x9 backs in the photo, with 120 film giving 8 shots per roll.

Lenses:
47mm Schenider-Kreuznach Super Angulon f5.6
65mm Schenider-Kreuznach Super Angulon f5.6
90mm Schenider-Kreuznach Super Angulon f5.6
150mm Nikon Nikkor-W f5.6
210mm/370mm Schenider-Kreuznach f5.6 convertible

The newer ones (47,65 and 150) are miles ahead in terms of quality. The 210 is ancient and also I think capable for 8x10 sheet film so I'm never going to see the best of it.


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I'd rather spot away dust in photoshop
True!!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2020 at 21:24
Thanks Greg, that's an impressive set-up. Looking forward to what you can do with it. It's certainly larger and more complicated than anything I've ever used.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2020 at 21:56
Those pictures are not 6x9? Oh wait, you used the 6x7 back. One of those useless not square - but also not 2x3 or wider formats

The pictures are nice despite the size
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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2020 at 19:04
@Greg: I am just curious: Wouldn't that camera allow the use of 4x5 sheet film cartridges? And can you rotate the back (from portrait to landscape and vice versa)? Has the finder/the ground glass any markings/framey for 6x9 or 6x7? And finally: Would a 6x12 cartridge for 120 film also fit the back?

I am asking because all of your lenses have an image circle fitting 4x5 film (or even larger films as you mentioned). I also have the 65mm Super Angulon - well it's not much wider than necessary for 4x5 sheet film, so shifting is limited. But it creates some really nice shots. If you use your 47mm and 65mm with 6x7 and 6x9 there is a considerable crop-factor, on 4x5 they are equivalent to 14mm and 20mm on 35mm film/full format, with the 6x7 cartrdige you can probably double that.

@Bob: That's a fascinating experiment to use the AGFold for. My trouble is with the film transport of these older medium format cameras. Of course, you had to tape the red window (although there is now a new orthochromatic Ilford film). The trouble with some 120 films is that the number on the paper backing the film is almot unreadable through the red window (the windos shouldn't be really harmful in matters of light if you open it for the transport and close it again, afterwards - even with panchromatic films). The Ilford FP4 Plus has middle grey numbers on light grey paper: Read that though a red window glass! So I am quite desparate. I managed to shoot three images with my Gloria (see below) with no overlap and the rest of the film was just spoiled by double and multiple exposures.

Braun Gloria 6x6 (has an extension tube instead of bellows)


Here are two images from the beginning of the film:





For using up my 120 film rolls I will probably have to resort to some other camera.

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Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

@Greg: I am just curious: Wouldn't that camera allow the use of 4x5 sheet film cartridges?
Yes, it will actually go up to 8x10! It actually came with a 4x5 rear standard and tapered bellows from the previous owner. But using it would be a serious time/mental/financial investment which I haven't succumbed to the temptation of...yet :)
Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

And can you rotate the back?
There's no rotating mechanism. It has to be done manually by unclamping it, but the design of the system makes that very straightforward. The drawback of this method is there's nothing preventing you from composing in say portait format and then mounting the film cartridge in landscape format when you swap out the ground glass to take the shot if you're not paying attention.
Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

Has the finder/the ground glass any markings/framey for 6x9 or 6x7?
It's just got centimeter grid markings up to 6x9
Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

And finally: Would a 6x12 cartridge for 120 film also fit the back?
I think it would be too big fit this back but I'm pretty sure you can get a 6x12 cartridge holder for use with a 4x5 back
Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

...a considerable crop-factor
Yeah, for 6x7 it's a factor of 2 and for 6x9 it's about 2.5 i.e a 47mm is 24mm equivalent at 6x7 and 18mm at 6x9. You're right, that allows some decent movements - there's about 30-40mm in any direction available which is the real attraction of this camera for me. Here's some older examples which show front rise.

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ps Harald, I love the photos of Berlin you just posted in the main thread - they look frozen in the 1970s, and are beatifully composed
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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2020 at 23:03
Thank you for the answers, Greg, and for your kind comment on my Berlin photos. It's been a weekend highly charged with memories (30th anniversary of reunification on Oct. 3) and I have just seen a photo exhibit on the GDR in the 1980s and 1990s (photos by Harald Hauswald).
This is the exhibition's webpage.
So yes, they fit the mood (although I didn't intend that).
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I've been doing my first tests with the Pixl-Latr as the basis for scanning with my A7 III and a macro lens.

Brian (@bonneville) pointed me towards using a light table, being quite a bit brighter than an iPad.



You can see here that the Pixl-Latr can work with 35mm film, but I suspect it will be better for me when I get to 120 roll film. It's quite fiddly to use - the film slips easily and it's a painstaking process putting the negative in, aligning the device and light table to the camera.




As I don't have a camera stand I can stack light table (pane?) & Pixl-Latr vertically between a book and my now redundant iPad and shoot horizontally. The A4 light table and Pixl-Latr are too wide to fit between the legs of my tripod if I shoot downwards with my macro lens (Sigma 70mm F2.8 Art) - there isn't much distance between negative and lens!

Here's the result: the source is Kodak Gold 200, outdated; captured in RAW in the camera; inverted in Photoshop and auto adjusted there; converted to TIFF (23 MP) and further adjusted in Lightroom using the LR Modern 04 profile.



Snappy Snaps processed the original film and scanned the negatives (all 36 of them) in around 30 mins. Worth the few pounds!



The 6MP JPG was post-processed with no special profile, but I did use gradients to lighten the shadows and bring out the clouds.

I would not enjoy the prospect of digitising 24 or 36 exposures using this method, but I think it'll make a difference for medium format film. And if I ever get to make 5x4 negatives, I'm sorted!







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