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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2011 at 22:42
But despite buffer and SD drawbacks; I'm going to be sorely tempted to buy one in a few months time.

It seems to me that every weakness of the A900 is covered by the A77, and every weakness of the A77 covered by the A900 - they're going to make a superb complimentary pair for covering every shooting situation and I'm anticipating shooting weddings with both to hand
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2011 at 22:51
Originally posted by mawz mawz wrote:

The only serious beef I'm seeing on the spec is the anemic buffer... Essentially the best configuration for the A77 (8fps, JPEG Fine) matches the worst config for the A55 (10fps, RAW) in burst length.

I didn't look up the A55 specs to compare, but as I was reading about the A77's buffer depth, and the clearing time of 23 seconds (13 seconds with the fastest cards) I was definitely thinking, 'Can that be right?'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2011 at 23:18
"There is an electronic first curtain shutter, which is a feature previously seen on some Canon models. What is does is eliminate the need for a physical first shutter curtain. This means that there is absolutely no mechanical motion within the camera until after the exposure, when the second mechanical shutter curtain closes. This along with the fact that the A77 has continuous Live View, and no moving mirror because of its Translucent Mirror technology, means that the A77 will likely be one of the most vibration free cameras ever made. This will make it ideal for macro, microscope, long telephoto and telescope work."

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sony_august_2011_new_products.shtml

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 03:28
Originally posted by tigertimb tigertimb wrote:

But despite buffer and SD drawbacks; I'm going to be sorely tempted to buy one in a few months time.

It seems to me that every weakness of the A900 is covered by the A77, and every weakness of the A77 covered by the A900 - they're going to make a superb complimentary pair for covering every shooting situation and I'm anticipating shooting weddings with both to hand


+1

I would like to do the same.

But I worry how the A77 ISO noise level will do in final firmware and RAW. Only time will tell.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 03:56
Originally posted by tigertimb tigertimb wrote:

But despite buffer and SD drawbacks; I'm going to be sorely tempted to buy one in a few months time.

It seems to me that every weakness of the A900 is covered by the A77, and every weakness of the A77 covered by the A900 - they're going to make a superb complimentary pair for covering every shooting situation and I'm anticipating shooting weddings with both to hand


I totally agree. I am looking forward to using them to compliment each other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 04:34
I was so exhausted from yesterday's local launch event I'll only do the post with pictures later today. Anyway, quick points:

- The A77 does not have the $#%@$ flash lag that the A33/A35/A55/A560/A580 has (about 150ms delay based on my stopwatch test, where the A55 had 500ms)
- The A77 has the "Live View Display" to "Setting Effect OFF" to enable auto gain for studio shooting with third party flash triggers/adapters
- The A77 viewfinder with 100% and 1.09x magnification is as big as the A900's! Tested by putting the A900 to one eye and the A77 in the other.
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 04:55
I didn't read much (is there really much to read into so far?), but:
a) I like almost everything I've read. Main interests being: live view for macro, improved AF, maintained good handling;
b) It seems pointless to discuss on IQ at this point. JPGs might improve a lot, and RAW is not even supported so far (I managed to open a file with Windows, RawTherapee and UFRaw, with obviously incorrect results);
c) No metering switch? Hopefully the new metering system will compensate;
d) No QuickNavy? Why?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 05:07
Do you know if the A65 have this same feature?
Originally posted by albnok albnok wrote:

- The A77 has the "Live View Display" to "Setting Effect OFF" to enable auto gain for studio shooting with third party flash triggers/adapters
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 05:13
Same price as the A700 but:

No Quick Nav: Users of all other cameras are so used to menu diving that this will make a change to Sony less stressful. (along with the Nikon on-off switch)

No "NR Off" -- I guess Sony enjoyed all the early comments they got when they released the A700. Or maybe the A700 NR designer was on a Sabbatical and came back for the A77 design, but Oh well there's always a future firmware v4.

But they did add the "?" button. That was something many missed on the A700 (and I guess the A900 also.) Now we finally will have an advanced level camera with "The '?' button gives access to a shooting guide or an explanation of the current menu option." Don't know how I've lived without it. Now I can laugh at my Canikon friends.

Hopefully, Mr Sony Manager will learn photography and outgrow his need for that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 05:13
al, I forgot to check.

Oh yeah the A77 has wireless controller capability - it can use the F43 to trigger another F43. I forgot to test the F20 on it, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 06:07
Originally posted by twm47099 twm47099 wrote:

Same price as the A700 but:

No Quick Nav: Users of all other cameras are so used to menu diving that this will make a change to Sony less stressful. (along with the Nikon on-off switch)

No "NR Off" -- I guess Sony enjoyed all the early comments they got when they released the A700. Or maybe the A700 NR designer was on a Sabbatical and came back for the A77 design, but Oh well there's always a future firmware v4.

But they did add the "?" button. That was something many missed on the A700 (and I guess the A900 also.) Now we finally will have an advanced level camera with "The '?' button gives access to a shooting guide or an explanation of the current menu option." Don't know how I've lived without it. Now I can laugh at my Canikon friends.

Hopefully, Mr Sony Manager will learn photography and outgrow his need for that.

tom


FWIW, the bigger issue with the A700 wasn't just that it didn't have an NR OFF setting, it was that the JPEG NR setting also affected RAW files. My NEX-5 doesn't have an NR off setting, either, but it doesn't affect the raw files like the A700 initially did, so it doesn't make a difference to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 07:42
Originally posted by albnok albnok wrote:

al, I forgot to check.

Oh yeah the A77 has wireless controller capability - it can use the F43 to trigger another F43. I forgot to test the F20 on it, though.


What about other flash guns with wireless controller capability? David KP suggested the 58 gun would not work as a controller... is this true? (seems weird).

Last of quick navi is a really big disappointment, that means the "Fn" menu is going to be something similar to that found on other existing cameras? (which is a pain ergonomically - although I appreciate some buttons can be customised etc etc).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 07:58
Originally posted by twm47099 twm47099 wrote:

No "NR Off" -- I guess Sony enjoyed all the early comments they got when they released the A700. Or maybe the A700 NR designer was on a Sabbatical and came back for the A77 design, but Oh well there's always a future firmware v4.


Are you saying the NR will affect the RAW files, like initially with the A700? That would be very, very disappointing, but I would be very surprised if it is true. Did I miss some news?

Unrelated and on reflection I'm wishing they hadn't bothered with the 24MP - at 16MP it might have been a near-perfect camera for me (well, a near-perfect specification EVF camera with movie function I won't use!). Still have high hopes for it, though and it looks like it will be a lot of fun to use.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2011 at 08:54
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

Last of quick navi is a really big disappointment, that means the "Fn" menu is going to be something similar to that found on other existing cameras? (which is a pain ergonomically - although I appreciate some buttons can be customised etc etc).
Since the Fn-menu in new cameras follows the path of α55's Fn-menu, I wouldn't call it that horrible: you can still adjust the chosen settings item's value also quickly with the control wheel, although the overlay display which shows the available values may bit distract the live view and it might be slightly slower to pick the specific settings item from the two rows on sides than it was on old QuickNavi display.
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