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Chris,

Post it...you know you want to :) I'm going to miss buying, testing and selling lenses. It's a hobby in and of itself. Maybe I'll offer my lens-hunting abilities as a service to the others on the board! My source on the 100/2 also has a 200/2.8 and a Tammy 300/2.8 SP...I charge 10% :)
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.... but I might change my mind! And one of them is in the post, and the other one will be in the post soon, and I haven't bouight the other one yet!

The temporary lenses (these are the ones I am NOT keeping, not for sale yet), I will move these ones on in ~Apr/May/Jun:
- 500/8 ... a loaner I have for testing, goes back to owner soon-ish (impressive lens)
- 24/2.8 NewRS ... test against the Sig 24/1.8 DG and see below
- 24/2.8 original ... see above
- 28/2 NewRS ... ahem, the spare one! Will have to go to eBay in a few months
- 50/1.4 original ... to test against the NewRS and 50/3.5 mac
- russian 50/2.8 macro ... too deep for M42 & MinAF
- 100/2.8 SF sale agreed ... happy customer soon-ish

That bit is easy to write. The keeper set. And of course it is final, and I'll never even THINK about buying another lenses again ever. Er, yeah, anyway. Actually - I'm quite pleased with what I decided to stick with. For a while. I cover everything and then some in plenty of 1/2/3/(4) lens sets.

but hey, this is bradley the brave's thread. I'll post my own list in a new one soon-ish.

Check here for my lens sales: http://www.maxxumeyes.com/ForSalePage.htm

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Originally posted by damian.bradley damian.bradley wrote:

Chris,

Post it...you know you want to :) I'm going to miss buying, testing and selling lenses. It's a hobby in and of itself. Maybe I'll offer my lens-hunting abilities as a service to the others on the board! My source on the 100/2 also has a 200/2.8 and a Tammy 300/2.8 SP...I charge 10% :)


Bradley, I would like to add your 100/2 + the above 200/2.8 prices to my db. Could you e-mail me them. I keep them anonymous. Ta

Really well done on that 100/2. Hard to find. I've got a vague memory of the price you paid, and it was good bearing in mind current sales prices on that lens. My data was old, but I updated it.

300/2.8 - I really respect these things. Got one. As a kid I always always wanted one. Never thought I'd own one. And I missed a bargain Minolta one in Dec-04, right at the moment I was dumping Canon and going Minolta 7D. My 7D and first 4 optics (KM17-35/50f1.4/Tam90Di/Sig70-200EX) were all due to arrive in Jan-05 ... middle Dec-04 I found this superb deal on a Minolta 300/2.8. Hummmed, harred, thought. Then I jumped back on line to get the shops telephone number, they'd knocked 15% off the already good price. I'd already spoken to them about it the week before. Phoned them again, GONE! I was gutted. It was one of those chance in a life-time prices. Well, until the deal i got on my 300/2.8 which was the same price but for a battered model. hey, its got charm!

I've always wondered how the other 300/2.8s stacked up. not a test I want to do!
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Originally posted by damian.bradley damian.bradley wrote:

And here I was thinking that one wouldn't have the same kind of lineup trouble with zooms. Shows what I know!


Zooms are tough for me in this range.

I have 70-300APO DG for nature and street that is lightweight, works well, and is a dg lens and does 1-2 macro without adapters.

Then I have the slender 70-210 straight 4.5 that is under 6 inches and fits in my pocket. It can also be used to sneak in events that do not allow "pros" or long zooms. It's also sort of a favorite so it gets an extra carry or two in as well.

Then I have 80-200 2.8 pro lens that weighs 3 lbs but focuses fast and works best in low light. I only use this one a monopod or tripod.

Or I could use the beercan but it sometimes flares and is a slow focuser so you need to be careful but it does work great when you can use it.

Then I have the lightweight push-pull 2.8-4 70-210APO for those times I need the zoom in lowlight but do not want to carry the 80-200 and tripod/monopod.

Then I have the cheapo throw away 70-210D for times you don't want to risk it.

So it's tough deciding which one to carry especially when you start taking close-focusing distance into consideration.

Edit: I do have the Sigma 28-200D which does not compare with above in quality and is an easy one not to choose. I also have the Tamron 28-300xr which takes nice photographs and is a very good lens but it is only for those rare travel dates or those days I don't feel like shooting seriously but want to capture "everything". It will take some serious shots but AF focus speed is slow-slow-slow but MF is usable. The glass is also a bit slow for me but the pic quality is pretty darn good. The Tamron eats the Sigma for lunch in my opinion but it ain't good enough to beat out many of the others on my list except the "cheapo" unless you need the wide range and can not change lenses. All that said, the Tamron is easily a keeper for me. The only reason I hold on to the sigma is because it's a 28-200AFD under 6 inches fully extended.

A pretty cool line-up you have for the summer, d.b.

Happy shooting.


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Wow MM....I would have to cut that 70-xxx lineup waaaaay down :) I see that you have uses for each...I guess we just have different styles. I feel guilty about having 5 lenses! Dcap and I both like relatively small lineups, which is why we spend lots of time pondering and testing (and writing) on the matter. It's as much about what you can give up as what you can keep ;)
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Originally posted by damian.bradley damian.bradley wrote:

Wow MM....I would have to cut that 70-xxx lineup waaaaay down :) I see that you have uses for each...I guess we just have different styles. I feel guilty about having 5 lenses! Dcap and I both like relatively small lineups, which is why we spend lots of time pondering and testing (and writing) on the matter. It's as much about what you can give up as what you can keep ;)


Hi d.b, yeah it's a problem and I feel like an idiot many days because I can't seem to part with any lens if it can do any sort of job for me. If I had to though, I could part with them all except the Tokina and the Sigma. The Beercan could rotate in if I could keep a third.

Many different styles and all are acceptable in my opinion. People just see different solutions to the job.

I can skin a cat another way if I must and that would be with a 50mm a couple tc's an Oly A-200 all fit in a fanny pack.

Myself, I would like to get some longer range 1.4 primes to play with cuz I'm a low light bokeh nut too, but just have not got off the cash yet. I still like the convenience of a zoom but having enough light is always the problem for me.

I think I would be happy with about 50 lenses. I would rather have one, two, or three, but I just have not found those yet. I think that 10-1000 lens people talk about is the one that will finally set me free.
 



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Talking about lineups.. i think (ok I admit) that I have fallen foul of GAS...

I was really satisfied with the lineup of

17-35D (wide and holiday travel)
28/2 (walkaround general)
85G (portraits)
STF135 (anything and everything that I can use this for;) )
400G (birds)
M 1.4x and 2x

Then I suddenly got
28-75D (had this before but broke it...)
11-18D

So I am feeling uncomfortable about having too much glass once again....

I think I will likely end up selling either 17-35 or 11-18, and maybe selling also 28-75
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Bernard,

There's a lineup I could deal with :) I should think if I were trimming down the lineup it would come down to 17-35 vs 11-18...but to quality this, I know nothing about these lenses. I imagine with the 28/2 and the 85G, the 28-75 does become a bit of a backup lens...maybe not a terrible thing to have, but might get a little lonely.

wide/28/85/135/400 isn't too far off Dcap and my lineups in terms of lengths...wide, normal, short tele, wildlife, and the specialist 135 in there. You have low light covered as well. Chris would be screamiing for a macro, while mine is just a but longer toward the wide, but I'd be happy with that!
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OK, I guess I'll jump in, finally.

I guess I have alot of lenses, but much fewer than before. I traded of something like 7 AF lenses when I bought the 7D, and traded or sold others since then. So here's the line-up with a few exceptions and reasonings.

PRIMES

14/3.5 Sigma: needed an ultra-wide and didn't like the results/prices of the W-I-D-E zooms. It's been a good performer, especially for interiors

28/2 Minolta: Bought specifically for stage work, primarily dance. Needed something great wide open at the edges with no fall-off. Best lens ever for this purpose and has become my go-to walk around street lens.

28/1.8 Sigma: Nice lens with real advantages, especially because it's DG coated. But the 28/2 is better and the Sigma is currently for sale.

35/2 Minolta: This was the stage lens for film, as well as my favorite prime. Alas, it is a little long on digital for my style. This lens is currently the hardest for me to justify AND the hardest to let go of. My thinking is to sell it, but at an obviously inflated price so that I feel better about letting it go. Or, trade for a 35/1.4 G.

50/1.7-1.4: Seldom used with film, I now find a real advantage with the effective 75mm frame. Have 2-1.7's and will sell one very soon. The 1.4 is getting a lot of use for both stage and gymnastics work, as well as walk around, baby tele work.

50/2.8 Sigma macro: Nice lens, though an early AF version. I seldom use AF with it. Sharpness is quite good, even fairly wide. Yet I find I use an old, MF Tamron 90/2.5 more often. I will likely sell this one off as soon as I get a Minolta equivelant, likely the 3.5.

100/2 Minolta: Scores a 9.9 out of 10 in every area. The only draw-back is reflection from the chip onto the rear elements. This is a great, low-light street lens, but if there are lights in the scene, you will get reflections. That aside, I use this lens for work, play and experiments, even macro with extension tubes. I will never sell it. If I switch brands (unlikely!) I'd keep this lens and a film body to use it with.

135/2.8 Minolta: My most recent purchase, bought for a specific purpose-keep me from buying a 200/2.8! Don't know if it will work however. Pocket 200mm with a fairly fast 2.8, it'll get a work out this horse show season.

300/4 G: Bought it because I had to! Found it, display-new, at ritz for $600 and could not let it pass. Never made such a good quick-buy decision in my life. Unbelievable quality in a hand-holdable lens. This will get a lot of work at horse shows, and was a truly fun travel lens, despite the hassle's at the airport.

1.4X SP tamron: Seldom used until I got the 300/4, now has a real place in the line-up.

ZOOMS

24-105 Minolta: Most frequently used zoom. Unbeatable at F8, acceptable wide-open. Works great with the 5600 HS, especially wireless, so this is my prime portrait lens when doing mixed individual/group portraits.

28-135/4-4.5 Minolta(x2): If I'm only going to carry one lens in daylight, this is it. It's heavy, the front element turns in zooming and focus, hard to find a lens hood that's effective with it, etc. BUT, it is so good. It is a Leica-like lens (say that five times fast!) and the breeding shows. I have two, one mint, one a beat-up user. The user still takes marvelous images and is going on sale within a few days at a reasonable price because of its condition.

24-70/2.8 Sigma EX DG: Bought this lens for, I hoped, stage work. While an over-all fine performer, it is too soft at 2.8 for dance work. It does very well with flash, since it is D chipped and the DG coating is good for digital. This is also going up on sale in the next few days, as I continue to try to reduce my collection.

35-105/3.5-4.5 Minolta: Years ago, I had a 35-105 as my first MF lens on my XE-7. A great focal length at the time. On digital, it's kind of lost. Not really wide anymore and have bought better lenses since. My wife used it for awhile, but she switched to the 28-200. So this will be for sale soon, as well.

28-200/3.5-5.6 Sigma: Took this to London for any situation where I couldn't take anything else. Good all purpose lens in the middle apeture range with a bonus close-focus ability. Will keep for awhile, but may replace with a compact digital.

70-210/4 Minolta "beer can": I think this is a keeper. I started using it more after the "accident" (see next listing) and decided it was much better than I originally thought. Some drawbacks; hard to use a polarizer, harder if you want to use the dedicated hood, slow AF in a lot of situations and a bit on the long-heavy side for regular, carry around use. Still, it makes a sharp image with good color, even wide open. Bokeh ok. (and say that 5 times fast.)

100-300/4.5-5.6 Minolta APO-D: This was my all-around horse show-vacation-always in the bag lens. Until I dropped it. Broke the mount. My local repair guys can't fix it, can't even decide where the should send it due to the KM-Sony switch. I'll try sending it in myself to see if it's repairable. If it can't be fixed, not sure what my next move will be.

200-400/5.6 Tamron: With the 300/4, I simply do not use this anymore. So it is also going on the block, very soon. Decent performer, nice to have the constant apeture and the weight is good for hand-holding with AS.But the quality cannot touch the G.

FUTURE

I see two lens choices in my near future.

17-50/2.8 Tamron. Waiting for some test reports, need to know what the performance is like wide-open. Having a fast zoom for dance work is still the holy-grail. Hope this one will do what i need.

200/2.8 G or 75-200/2.8 SSM: One or the other, it's gonna happen.

Hmmm....did I forget anyhting? Likely. Oh well, that's enough for noe.
7D a68 a99 a6600 a7Rii 16/2.8 24/2.8 28/2 35/2 50/1.4 100/2 200/2.8 24-70CZ 1.8/135 80-200/2.8 24-105 28-135 300/4 16-50DT 70-300G Tam 90/2.8, E55-210 E2/12 Sig E1.4/16,30 & 56, FE15/4.5V
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okay. so other people have popped their line-ups in ... here goes. Er, they are all prime!

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Tokina 17/3.5 ATX (72) (bought in this forum)
my interiors lens, will dip in/out of my travel bag for tight places

Flektogon 20/4 (77) (M42) (bought in this forum)
My shooting from the hip M42 lens. Stick it to f11 and prefocus. That's the plan. All M42 lenses I've used are stiff, so it won't shift focus!
I have multi-coated this by adding a b+w multicoated KR1,5 filter soon!

Sigma 24/1.8 EX DG
My low light wide angle lens, 9 blades, circular, digital coating.
A lens I have wanted for (probably) 5 years? I plan to wear it out.

Minolta 28/2 NewRS
This is my 50/1.4 NewRS partner
And also a very good going solo lens

35mm (something)
35/2 or 35/2.8 T&S .... I don't have a 35mm at the mo, so its on the "hunt for" list

Minolta 50/1.4 NewRS (bought in this forum)
For the love of bokeh, and for use at f1.4-2.8 only
specifically for a bokeh project that I start working on over Easter

Minolta 50/3.5 NewRS
(the sale of this one in my bumper sale fell though)
I am soooo pleased I kept this lens - at the moment I used it every day! This is my studio lens

Jupiter 9 85/2 (M42)
I've multi-coated this by adding a b+w multicoated KR1,5 filter!

Tamron SP 90mm f2.8 Di
Quite simply, the sharpest macro lens available. Digital coating, and I prefer the 90 length from the 90/100/105 choice. Ideally I'd have a 75 macro instead of a 50 + 90. This is my travel short tele which doubles as a macro. Being a prime user I found the 135/2.8 very often too long. Good in the field. I use the 50 in the studio.

GAP
STF 135/2.8 T4.5 or Tam 180 Di ... possible something else?

Minolta 300/2.8 APO G
This lens is The Daddy. The wildlife photographer's dream. I don't insult it by adding the very good converters. I will use field technique to get close to my deer. This is almost solely for use for shooting Roe Deer. That makes up 50% of my Spring to Autumn shooting Its BIG, its HEAVY. Its the dogs nads. Its BLING!

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Yep: 24/50/50/90/300 is actually plenty
But: 17 is handy, M42s are fun
And: 28/2 ... well I had to!
Pending: 35 and 135/180

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Considering these. I'm thinking about one or two more lens
- 35/2 NewRS ... will take a 35/2 original if I can't find it
- 35/2.8 T&S ... for correcting, and going wild in the other direction
- Tam 180/3.5 Di ... to complete the 50/90/180 set! And would be good for butterflies and dragon flies
- Min Reflex 500/8 (I like the one I have borrowed) would be a great travel lens, small
- maybe I should get a zoom? Any suggestions?!!

Likehood:
- possibly the 35/180
- unlikely the 500/zoom

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travel/shooting options - depending on location
7D + 24/1.8 + 90/2.8
5D + 28/2 + 50/1.4
(17/3.5 dips in/out of those kits)

go light/absolute minimum
5D + 28/2
5D + 35/2

M42 Days
5D + 20/4 + 85/2

studio
5D + 50/3.5

deer
7D + 300/2.8

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Lenses I miss:
- 35/1.4 pre-G ... a little, but hey
- 85/1.4 G ... a little, but I hardly used it
- 135/2.8xx ... so darned cute! Miss this one a lot

In March 2006 I owned:
- 2x 35/1.4 pre-G
- 2x 28/2 original
- 2x 28/2 NewRS
(I feel so honoured, and a little guilty, but I've moved most on to good homes!)

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Lenses I never had, would have loved to have had, but won't get:
- the G zooms
- the Min 35/2
- the Min STF 135
- the Min 100/2
- the Min 24-50/4 original (what!?)

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I would like to thank Kiklop for this forum, there are several lenses listed up above that have come to me from Dyxum forum members, and several of my sale lenses went to other Dyxum members, some of us have even bought AND sold from each other!

Edited by DcapVividOptic - 15 April 2006 at 10:40
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Damian
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.. yeah part of the 'justification' (ahem.. ;) ) for getting the 11-18 is to try to see if it could replace the 17-35 (which i quite like). I really wish the ultrawide was a 12-24 f4 though.. that would make the decision easier.

Re macro - i actually had the minolta 100 RS version, but sold since my 'macro' needs often were 1:3 or less, which the STF+1.4x covers;)

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Ok, I'll go next...

Pro/Serious Gigs

Sigma 24mm 2.8
Minolta 50mm 1.7
Minolta 28-70D 2.8
Tokina 80-200 Atx-pro 2.8
1.4x tele
Oly A-200

Serious walkarounds street.

Sigma 24mm 2.8
Minolta 50mm 1.7
Minolta 28-70D 2.8
Minolta 70-210 f4
1.4x tele
Oly A-200

Serious walkaround nature.

24mm Sigma 2.8
50mm Minolta 1.7
100mm macro Vivitar
18-70DT Minolta
28-70D 2.8 Minolta
70-300APO DG Macro Sigma
1.4x tele
55mm Hoya HMC Close-ups
55mm Vivitar Close-ups
49mm Hoya Close-ups
Oly A-200

Travel one lens:

Tamron 28-300XR

Extended travel kit:

24mm 2.8
50mm 1.7
Tamron 28-300XR
1.4tc
Oly A-200

Sneak-in-kit

50mm 1.7
1.4x
Oly A-200

18-70DT will be retired as my next additions will be wide angle prime either 17 or 20, and then maybe something like a 10-20. About 15 lenses I own now did not make any of these kits I listed.

Cheers


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Okay, so my line-up lasted, like, what, a day! Never ever say 'final' ... I bought a bargain zoom on eBay about 2 mins ago - for fun and for testing.

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh - I've got a zoom!

Also in negoitiations on eight other lenses! (mix of buy and sell)

can I honestly say this: I am not a dealer? I don't think I can any more, can I!?

Dealer/Tester!? Whatever. Just so you know, I am actually going to shoot some photos this weekend :>
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minoltamaniac - odd, the 80-200/2.8 & 70-210/4 are they that different in size? That you would choice to carry the f4 instead of the f2.8 one day?
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