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Originally posted by Paul07 Paul07 wrote:

Originally posted by macronut macronut wrote:

...Imagine if Sony were to make a new 28-135 f4-4.5 that is built to last. Probably would sell for 700-1000 dollars.)


There is an FE 24-105/4 now. Not a-mount, but indeed expensive. Does not have the same range, but does have f/4 across the range.

The FE 28-135 F4 G OSS came out in 2014, only $2500.
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My favorite recent additions to my cheap lineup:

Sigma 28mm F1.8 Aspherical High-Speed
Tamron SP AF 90mm F2.5

While the Minolta/Sony 28mm F2.8 remains a good, more affordable option, this Sigma is considerably brighter. The image quality is very similar to the Sony DT 35mm F1.8 SAM but with a more moderate wide angle look. 28mm becomes a normal focal length with the SteadyShot video crop.

I am not sure why the Tamron 90mm F2.5 doesn't get more respect. Maybe the lack of 1:1? I find the image quality a bit better than the Minolta F2.8 macros, the Sigma 70mm F2.8, or the Sony 85mm F2.8.

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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by Paul07 Paul07 wrote:

Originally posted by macronut macronut wrote:

...Imagine if Sony were to make a new 28-135 f4-4.5 that is built to last. Probably would sell for 700-1000 dollars.)


There is an FE 24-105/4 now. Not a-mount, but indeed expensive. Does not have the same range, but does have f/4 across the range.

The FE 28-135 F4 G OSS came out in 2014, only $2500.
The 28-135 was around $525 in 1986, taking into account inflation, that would now be around $1200 - that is comparable to the FE 24-105/4. The 28-135/4 is a speciality video centric lens, a photo centric version would probably be cheaper. Neither fits a cheap lineup IMHO
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The 28-135 was around $525 in 1986 ...

Suggested list price; but US buyers didn't pay SLP for such things. The street price was always way less. I have a 1991 camera store catalog showing the street price at $350.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 October 2018 at 16:10
Glad you're here, hope you find Dyxuming worth hanging around.

In the FWIW department. A 28-105mm is the default on my ff camera. While it may just be the copies I have I like it a lot better than the 24-105mm, even though that lens is considerably more compact. There's something I don't care for in the color rendering and bokeh of the 24-105mm. As Miranda F notes, the 28-100mm Minolta gives surprisingly good results, and at 10 bucks for the one I picked up it may be my best cheap lens buy.

A Zeiss 16-80mm is the default for me on APS-C. They have been around for more than a decade so the used price has gotten reasonable.

An f1.7 50mm has served me well for almost 30 years and I don't see much difference between it and a more recently acquired f1.4. That last half stop is not often important these days, and the f1.7 is dirt cheap.

The f2.6 Tokina 28-70mm has worked well for me, but in good light has largely been supplanted by the Minolta 28-105mm. The Tokina is metal and heavy, and is a link to the origins of zooms as an Angenieux design. Tokina's f2.8 28-70mm (yellow stripe) also gives surprisingly good results. It is slightly smaller and cheaper than the f2.6. I have also gotten good results from the lightly regarded Minolta/Sony 18-70mm kit lens.

I too was pleasantly surprised by the older Sigma f1.8 28mm. It both looks and performs like similar vintage Minolta glass. It is better than some and faster than all.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The 28-135 was around $525 in 1986 ...

Suggested list price; but US buyers didn't pay SLP for such things. The street price was always way less. I have a 1991 camera store catalog showing the street price at $350.
Nope, you're talking about MSRP, but these list prices "were culled from period publications, and receipts sent in by readers", so, $525 is the price it was listed for. That $350 price sounds like a close-out sale.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The 28-135 was around $525 in 1986 ...

Suggested list price; but US buyers didn't pay SLP for such things. The street price was always way less. I have a 1991 camera store catalog showing the street price at $350.
Nope, you're talking about MSRP, but these list prices "were culled from period publications, and receipts sent in by readers", so, $525 is the price it was listed for. That $350 price sounds like a close-out sale.

Nope, you're wrong. Look at your own source, which clearly says Suggested list price in the column of the $526 figure.



Suggested list price (exactly the same as MSRP) was a joke. Stores actually priced lenses at a particular markup percentage over their own cost. The cost to a retailer for that lens at that time was just $315 - or less depending on the quantity ordered. You can see that in your source too.

Regarding my 1991 catalog, $350 was the street price. It was good all year long on current products, either by mail-order or walk-in. All other local stores offered similar street prices on Minolta gear or risked losing business.

Trust me and don't argue. I lived through - and bought camera gear during - this period in the US.

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The "Regular Net" on several I checked were all 40% off list. The 3 or more pricing was good for another 3% off list. Not a great discount structure, but not unusual.

A 28-135 at $350 would be 1/3 off list price, also a familiar discount.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ant! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2018 at 01:49
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:



My favourite film camera is the 600si (the one with all the separate controls like an old-fashioned camera)


Same on the 7, as it was inspired by the 600si. Definitely have to read the manual, never had so many buttons on a camera!

Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

A 28-105mm is the default on my ff camera. While it may just be the copies I have I like it a lot better than the 24-105mm, even though that lens is considerably more compact. There's something I don't care for in the color rendering and bokeh of the 24-105mm. As Miranda F notes, the 28-100mm Minolta gives surprisingly good results, and at 10 bucks for the one I picked up it may be my best cheap lens buy.


I just think the minimum focus distance of 1.5m for the 28-105mm is a bit too long for my taste, but still, thanks!

Again, thanks everyone, will look around what I will find, I am sure it will be good.
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Originally posted by ant! ant! wrote:


I just think the minimum focus distance of 1.5m for the 28-105mm is a bit too long for my taste, but still, thanks!

Again, thanks everyone, will look around what I will find, I am sure it will be good.


The 28-105mm focuses to .5m and covers a useful range of focal lengths with good optics and Minolta colors. You may be thinking of the older 35-105mm that had the longer minimum focus.
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Ah, actually I talked about the 28-135mm, mixed them up. This has this too long minimal focus: http://www.dyxum.com/lenses/Minolta-AF-28-135mm-F4-4.5_lens38.html
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A few of the early A mount lenses, including the 28-135mm and 35-105mm, have long minimum focus distances, but have macro modes that focus closer.

I like the 28-105mm on an a7ii, and despite my lack of enthusiasm you might find the 24-105mm interesting. The wonderful part is that they're all inexpensive, aka cheap, so you can try them without hurting your pocketbook too badly.

While to some it's heresy, I thoroughly enjoy shooting old MC/MD glass with cheap adapters on E mount cameras. IBIS, focus peaking and exposure modes make it easy. While there is a lot to be said for modern coatings, those old lenses had to be sharp and have good colors to survive. Kodachrome was slow, but grainless and unforgiving. Pan-X took no B&W prisoners either.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2018 at 08:24
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

While to some it's heresy, I thoroughly enjoy shooting old MC/MD glass with cheap adapters on E mount cameras. IBIS, focus peaking and exposure modes make it easy. While there is a lot to be said for modern coatings, those old lenses had to be sharp and have good colors to survive. Kodachrome was slow, but grainless and unforgiving. Pan-X took no B&W prisoners either.
Never heard it described like this. To whom is it heresy? A lot of people use legacy lenses on E-mount. Yes, MC/MD lenses on A-mount are a problem because of the adapter needed a glass element - but on E-mount there are no downsides. Older lenses render different from modern lenses and they can give you a certain look. They are not as good as modern lenses: there is so much more then just the coatings that is improved in lens design and production. But older lenses can give you a look that is unique.

I wonder what you mean by Pan-X, maybe Kodak Plus X Pan? If you want a fine grained general purpose film look at Ilford Delta 100 and 400 and if you want a "exceptionally fine grain" film, the Ilford Pan F is your film
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2018 at 08:41
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Trust me and don't argue. I lived through - and bought camera gear during - this period in the US.
What is internet for but to argue? Missed the picture you linked to, other pictures on that page also show a similar price you quoted making the listing a bit less useful....
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