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    Posted: 22 December 2018 at 14:34
I felt its was about time we have a thread in e-mount section for our lens line up and what we think about them.
Idea borrowed from the The A-mount Lineup thread in the a-mount lenses section of this forum.

This NOT meant as a replacement for adding reviews in the dyxum lens database. Please do that as well and preferably in more detail than on here. This is just a bit of fun to discuss our lenses and gear.



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I'll start...

Current lenses (native)
TTArtisan 11mm f2.8 fisheye - A very sharp lens from wide open, possibly the best fisheye I've had (but mind you this only my 3rd). Not too big, nicely made with clickless aperture ring. Very close focus distance too.
Sony FE 16-35mm f2.8 GM - After the bad experience with sigma and samyang UWA lenses I splashed out on this and it didn't disappoint with its IQ. Feels familiar since I used to have and loved my Sony Zeiss 16-35mm/2.8 on a-mount and the Zeiss 16-35mm f4. But beats all other UWA zooms I have used so far.
Sony FE 24-105mm f4 OSS G - replaced my tamron 28-75mm below. Sharp across the range from f4 and the only lens I have actually got 5 stops of stabilisation or close to it on Sony. Probably the best walkaround and travel zoom in terms of quality if you can put up with the weight and size. There is also a fair bit of vignetting wide open.
Sony FE 50mm f1.8 - probably the best nifty fifty in terms of IQ. But what you gain in IQ you lose out in AF performance. On my second copy now and its even sharper than the first one I had which shows there is some variation.
Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 - just arrived....
Samyang 85mm f1.4 AF FE - Nice rendering, wide open sharper than 85GM I had but bokeh is slightly busier (win some lose some I guess). The AF while a little noisy, is quieter than the 85GM. AF is less reliable but not bad at all on V4 of the firmware, perfectly usable by all means (just don't try tracking a cheetah running at you )
Sony 200-600mm G - possibly the best telezoom in terms of IQ for wildlife. It's as sharp as 100-400mm, tracks just as well but lockon is ever so slightly slower than 100-400mm. Overall an impressive lens.

Previous lenses(native)
Laowa 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 - A very fun lens to use and certainly requires extra care to compose at the wider end. It's not very sharp in the corners and never really gets there. It won't be breaking a resolution records but any one buying this lens should be doing so for the novelty and unique capabilities of it in a small package. Makes for a brilliant travel UWA also. It sharper than Voigtlander 10mm (and 12mm) in corners. Not as sharp as voightlander 15mm or any other primes/zooms at the "longer" end.
Sony FE 16-35mm f4 - I know people complain about 35mm end not being sharp but its not a prime lens. I found is perfectly sharp and usable across the zoom range wide open. A very nice compact UWA.
Sony 10-18mm f4 - Once again wider end is sharper than the 'longer' end. But this lens weight 225g and is really small for what it does. Perfectly sharp wide open across the frame 10-16mm i.e. where it really matters for such a lens. 12-15mm is its best range. Also works on FF sensor in a pinch between 11-16mm.
Sony FE 24-240mm f3.5-6.3 - Best super zoom I have used but too heavy for me to carry around as a walkaround lens.
Sony 16-70mm f4 - Despite the mixed reviews, I decided to take a leap of faith when I bought this lens from eBay. And I was not disappointed. It stands to be my one of my favourite walkaround zooms. Its sharp enough in the centre across the range wide open.
Sony PZ 16-50 f3.5-5.6 - kit lens, nice small and compact.
Sony 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 - kit lens, prefer 16-50mm
Tamron FE 28-75 f2.8 - Sharp compact f2.8 zoom. Really great walkaround zoom.
Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8 GM - its fricken awesome!! If this kinda lens is your thing then buy it and you won't even regret the slightly overpriced price tag. Sold it to fund the 100-400mm GM.
Sony FE 100-400mm f4.5-5.6 OSS GM - Very sharp telezoom. Still kinda miss the old 70-400mm from a-mount days especially that 70mm end. But this lens is fully weathersealed, little shaper, faster focussing. So all in all not a bad trade off.

Meike 6.5mm f2 fisheye - a small well built, excellent circular fisheye. Pretty sharp and usable wide open. Focuses rather close too. There will be slight clipping when used on APS-C body. I used it on A7RII and cropped in post to get a full circle.
Samyang 8mm f2.8 fisheye (2nd version) - a must have lens for fisheye lovers on APS-C. Nice and sharp, excellent for astro work too. Small and well built.
Voigtlander 10mm f5.6 - its very very very ve..... wide. Not particularly sharp in corners wide open and while stopping down improves it, never really found it ever got there. It's a fun lens to use.
Laowa 15mm f2 FE - A sharp lens from wide open and rather small for such a fast UWA.
Voigtlander 15mm f4.5 - A nice sharp lens from wide open. Its very compact and a joy to use in general. makes beautiful sunstars from wide open. worth it just for that.
Sony FE 24mm f1.4 GM - Amazingly sharp lens from wide open. Makes an interesting environmental portrait lens. Since Sony refused to give us a 35mm f/1.8-2 prime this acted as that in crop mode for me (and a rather expensive one at that!). Also pretty small and light for f1.4 lens. Replaced my Sony zeiss 35mm f1.4. Possibly one of the best lenses I have ever had. (Owned two copies)
Samyang 24mm f2.8 AF FE - Very small and compact. AF is very silent, reliable and accurate. While its useable wide open its not perfectly sharp in corners. But then what do you expect from such a small pancake lens on a 42mp sensor. Its a compromise like all other things in photography.
Sony FE 28mm f2 - Small, sharp, huge distortion which can be corrected in software. I like this lens for its size and sharpness but prefer a wider prime. AF is also fast and accurate.
Sony FE 35mm f2.8 - My first FE lens. So it will have a special place in my heart. Its sharp from wide open across the frame. very very small and compact. AF is flawless. Its an all round excellent lens.
Samyang 35mm f2.8 AF FE - smallest FE lens but quality wise on par with the zeiss above. AF is not quite as good but good enough. Just don't try tracking birds with it!
Sony 35mm f1.8 OSS - Worst prime I have owned. Soft wide open outside the centre and FE 35mm/2.8 is shaper than this lens stopped down to f2.8. But its very small and has OSS.
Sony FE 35mm f1.8 - Nice, small and sharp lens. I quite like the bokeh and AF is very snappy. A lot of CA though for a modern lens.
Sigma 35mm f1.4 ART - possibly the best overall 35mm f1.4 option. The sharpness at f1.4 is as good or better than other options. The focussing while not quite as good as FE35mm/1.4 is good enough in that its accurate for stills. Its reliable unlike the samyang but just not as fast as the blazing FE35/1.4. The bokeh and contrast is also good. Also the e-mount version seems to be weather sealed (or at least partly).
Sony FE 35mm f1.4 - big like all other similar lenses. Sharp where it matters wide open (i.e. centre and midframe). Corners are not as sharp as the samyang version below or sigma ART 35. but if you are shooting brickwall at f1.4 to crop and print the extreme corners I think you have other problems But this lens when stopped down is shaper than the other options. So I think its designed perfectly for its use cases. Oh and AF is really really fast and accurate
Samyang 35mm f1.4 AF FE - better CA, corner sharpness at f1.4 than the zeiss. Its hits way above its price point. AF was choppy when I first got it. It improved a lot with firmware update to v2.0. But still not quite on level of the zeiss. there has been another recent FW update that claims to improve AF-C future which I haven't tried out. basically when you get this lens factor in the costs for buying the lens dock to upgrade firmware. the AF is hit and miss otherwise.
Sony FE 55mm f1.8 - SHARP and very nice rendering all in a rather small package. was once known as mini-otus and it really is. (owned two copies)
Sony FE 85mm f1.8 - Any one who remotely knows me knows I go through lenses at a faster pace than underwear But I had this for 2 years! That says it all really. (owned two copies)
Sony FE 85mm f1.4 GM - very very nice rendering (probably as good as its gets), big and noisey AF which is annoying tbh. The AF is accurate despite not being the fastest.
Sony FE 90mm f2.8 G macro - incredibly sharp macro with internal focussing. Great for manual focussing also. its a beauty to use. the focussing is a little noisy both in AF and MF.
Sony FE 135mm f1.8 GM - Awesome lens by all means - sharpness, rendering, buttons etc. Only downside is unlike the a-mount versions you can't use TCs with it.

Sony 1.4x - best 1.4x TC I have used in terms of minimal impact on the IQ. Used with 100-400 and 200-600mm.
Sony 2.0x - best 2x TC I have used in terms of minimal impact on the IQ. Used with 100-400 and 200-600mm.

Owned briefly but returned due to decentering
Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 - tried two copies and both were soft in one of the corners. Second copy was actually worst than the first! Apparently a very sharp lens and centres certainly were bitingly sharp.
Samyang 18mm f/2.8 - Also tried two copies with no much luck. But surprisingly the copy to copy variation was less than sigma i.e. both only slightly decentered (mind you sample size is only two!)

Wish List
Sony 20mm f1.8 G - apparently an awesome smaller replacement for my 24GM. Would love to try it.
Samyang 75mm f1.8 - to replace my 85mm/1.4 and its smaller
Laowa 100mm f/2.8 macro - want to try it out for its 2x magnification, which can be further increased to 4x with a 2x TC. Sounds fund experimenting with this one.
tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 - I like especially small lenses and this one rather compact for what it is. So I'd like try it one day.
A9 - Now these bodies are becoming cheaper but not quite affordable yet. Would love to own one as second body but its not quite as small as my bridge cameras so not sure...

Current body - A7RIV, LX100ii
Previous bodies - A7, A7RII, A7RIII, A6000, nex7, nex5n (also RX1RII, RX100M3, LX100, LX15)

I have also owned various adapted lenses, too many to list all right now but notable for me:
Olympus OM: 16mm f3.5 fisheye, 21mm f3.5, 100mm f2.8
Canon EF: 40mm f2.8 STM, 50mm f1.8 STM, 50mm f1.2L, 100mm f2, 100-300mm f4.5-5.6, Voigtlander 40mm f2
Canon FD: 50mm f1.2, 55mm f1.2
Fujinon X porst 50mm f1.2
A-mount: 16-35mm f2.8, Minolta 50mm f2.8 macro RS, 70-400mm G, Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5, Minolta 100-300mm APO D.

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Perhaps I am just the exact opposite. For E-mount, I have just the Sony 24-240 mm. For travel imho a perfect lens. The corners are very sharp, and the long is a bit soft. But for my main purpose - travel photography - it is very good.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2018 at 15:54
Originally posted by Pallanza Pallanza wrote:

Perhaps I am just the exact opposite. For E-mount, I have just the Sony 24-240 mm. For travel imho a perfect lens. The corners are very sharp, and the long is a bit soft. But for my main purpose - travel photography - it is very good.


I had that lens too

I'll add it to the list

Its a great lens and best superzoom I have used but bit too heavy for my liking for a walkaround lens.
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None of the Batis primes?

I am surprised the Sonnar 55 F1.8 is on the previous list.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

None of the Batis primes?

I am surprised the Sonnar 55 F1.8 is on the previous list.


Nope not a single one. I have tried them out but never really owned one. Also don't like some of them and feel they are larger than necessary.

Well I don't really shoot the 50mm-ish range enough to justify keeping it. Though its a brilliant lens. I also have load of 50mm-ish primes I adapt every so often (canon 50mm STM, meyer 50 trioplan, helios m44 etc etc etc).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2018 at 21:10
Nice Nandbytes. Bit surprised you've not tried any of the Loxia lenses

My line up:
Native E-mount
Loxia 21 - not my most used lens, to wide for my style. But the A3 images/prints made with this lens look just amazing, be it landscape, street/portrait. Size on the A7 is just perfect (small!)

FE2/28 - much the same experience as nandbytes. Best used wide open, crazy fast and acurate AF on the A7iii body! Stopped down not a special lens.

Loxia 50 - Nice allrounder, my first native lens in e-mount, maybe my sharpest as well? Do not realy like its bokeh and subject separation, so not my most used lens. Actualy I am trying to sell the lens to fund a Voigtlander FE1.2/40

FE1.8/85 - tried different 1.4/85 lenses from different manufacturers/mounts. I find this lens the best mix between the Sigma 1.4/85 (sharpness but so-so colours) and the Zeiss 1.4/85ZF.2 (great colours but hard to nail focus). Eye-AF with this lens on A7iii feels like cheating

I owned the FE2.8/35 and althouh it was nice and sharp with very good colours it didn't give me the results I was looking for, maybe to clinical. Sold it and bought the Voigtalnder 1.7/35 Ultron, never looked back.

I also used some A-mount (Sony-zeiss and Minolta) lenses with LA-AE4 adapter. The big size of camera/adapter/lenses just didn't make sense to me so after a few months I sold all lenses and adapter.

Non native lenses (that I still own and use):
Voigtlander 5.6/12 - such a small lens. Sharpness in centre and midframe are good. Corners very weak. More of play & experiment lens but gives some nice results.

Voigtlander 1.7/35 Ultron - my most used lens. There is something special about this lens I like. The shapness in centre and midframe wide open is spectaculair! Corners not so, but stopped down keep sharp enough for landscape prints A2 size. I love the bokeh and use it as a portrait lens for that 3D separation. Handling takes time to learn, but build quality of this lens is top notch. Would love to get my hands on a nice secondhand Voigtlander 1.5/50 Nokton

Nikon 1.4/50 Ai - dreamy wide open - sharp @f/2. Best bang for buck nifty fifty in my taste. Love the portraits that this lens produces

Super Takumar 1.8/55 - use this lens with extention rings for that macro- shapness with funky bokeh kinda thing. Also make very nice B&W portraits

Jupiter 2/85 - classic portrait lens - not sure why I like this lens, something about the colours it produces, vintage-insta-backlit-sillouette-hipter-stuff

Tamron 2.8/90SP - Macro master with butterysmooth bokeh, yes please! I use the Nikon version (it was dirt cheap secondhand) and hate the manual focus experience....

SMC takumar 2.4/135 - My biggest / heaviest lens. Show it age for colours & contrast but used with its limits in mind it can produces nice images for landscapes and portraits. Sharp enough wide open in centre, stopped down across the whole frame.

Wishlist:
small 35mm AF native sony lens with f/1.7 or 1.8 with super centre sharpness and buttery smooth bokeh in small package ala 2/28 (OK, not a fan focus by wire, but to keep it small (and cheap) it must do.

Telezooms are not my thing, the lenses are just to big for me and I hate carrying tripod, do not own one Although I love the images they can produce, dyxummers show of some great work here! Maybe in the future

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Just a note that I've changed the title of this thread and added E-mount to it and also added A-mount to that other topic for search purposes.
I also stuck a thumbtack to it and made it sticky.
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Native APS-C lineup (or how I got started in E-mount)

10-18: nice WA zoom, good colours, contrast and sharpness, also works well on FF (cropped or not, but the latter from 12-16 mm)
16-50PZ: not as good as the 18-55 kit, but 16 is worth a lot and it's small
18-55: very good for a kit lens
18-105PZ G: lazy walkabout travel lens, optically OK, a bit big
20/2.8: fun pancake/small lens to use, optically OK but nothing special

I also had the 55-210, so-so lens and sold it when I got a better telezoom, also passed the 30/3.5 macro (nice lens) and the 50/1.8 (very good lens) to my nephew when he got an A6300 around the time I went FF (see below). He can make much better use of them now then I would do.



I thought I'd use my A7 only (mainly) as a digital back for my old Manual Focus lenses and didn't need native FE lenses. Boy, was I wrong and you can see here how I caved in:

Native FE line-up
24-70CZ: got a good deal from a fellow dyxum'er, apparently a good copy since I don't see all the problems people report on the internet
28/2: nice lens, allready got it for APS-C as a "short normal", works very well in both formats
35/2.8 Samyang: Poor mans FE35/2.8 CZ, just got it so limited experience, initial impression is favourable
55/1.8: Got it at a good price 2nd hand, excellent quality and sharpness
70-300G: Excellent telezoom, sharp enough from wide open and even better 2/3-1 stop closed, nice bokeh for a zoom to get nice separation at shorter distances
85/1.8: recently got it when a shop doubled the Sony cashback, early results are very encouraging


Voigtlander FE
12/5.6: The native FE version is sharp corner to corner. Set at f11 and 1 meter you get front to back sharpness, but 12 mm is "special"
65/2 APO macro: spectacular sharpness and rendering, both in the macro range as well as further away, I also just walk around with it as a "long normal", but only goes to 1:2.


The list of my adapted lenses would be way too long and beyond the scope of this thread


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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

The list of my adapted lenses would be way too long and beyond the scope of this thread


Give us you 'best/most used 3' then?
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Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

Nice Nandbytes. Bit surprised you've not tried any of the Loxia lenses


Well for the longer lenses I like having AF. So the only loxia lens that interested me (and nearly bought many times) is the loxia 21. Previously I was adapting the OM 21mm f3.5 which was actually rather good. Then I got samyang 24mm followed by 24GM so felt 21mm was too close. So I decided to go with laowa 15mm and crop in if needed (also its 1 stop faster).
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@Nandbytes: do you have a bad copy of the 35/1.8 OSS? Because your description of the lens does not match my experience with it. I find it a very convenient lens, not stellar, but still quite good. And my A6000 with the 35/1.8 OSS makes for a very versatile small package (even if the 50mm eq. usually is either too long or too wide).

Next I have the 50/1.8 OSS, that might be my favorite E mount lens. It is really sharp at f/10 and it has a very pleasant (to me) bokeh wide open. Before I did not like 50mm on APS-C, but this one showed the right lens can make a difference.

For my wide angle needs I have the Sigma 19/2.8 DN. Used it a lot on my NEX F3 and loved it. It is cheap and good. A bit clinical ("modern") look, sharp and capable. I hardly use it since I have the Sony 10-18/4 OSS, which is strange now I come to think of it

The Sony 10-18/4 OSS is a lovely lens. I like it as much as my magical Minolta 17-35G (that one has some problems, but it is just lovely). It is a bit to wide and too short for my taste. I would have preferred a 12-24/4. But still, it is a good wide zoom, it is light and not to big. I can bring this one and the 50/1.8 and I can do most of my photography.

I would like a good APS-C telezoom to go with the A6x00 cameras, not as big as the 70-200/4 or 70-300G and better then the 55-210.

On full frame I have the 28/2. Nice lens, quite sharp, not loveable. Some people use it as normal lens on APS-C, but I think the 35/1.8 is a better choice (smaller, OSS and f/1.8 @35mm).

I am thinking of adding the 85/1.8 and/or the Tamron 28-75/2.8.

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

@Nandbytes: do you have a bad copy of the 35/1.8 OSS? Because your description of the lens does not match my experience with it. I find it a very convenient lens, not stellar, but still quite good. And my A6000 with the 35/1.8 OSS makes for a very versatile small package (even if the 50mm eq. usually is either too long or too wide).


I am thinking of adding the 85/1.8 and/or the Tamron 28-75/2.8.


I don't think so. It's not sharp wide open outside the centre regions. I think that matches what dxo shows for example. While I don't much care for corners at f1.8 mid frame region is important.
TBH if I were to go back to shooting APS-C with Sony I'd do so because of the nice sigma f1.4 primes. The 56mm f1.4 looks small and lovely. The only Sony APS-C prime I think that worth it is the 50mm F1.8 OSS.

Both tamron and the FE85 are lovely. You won't regret either. I very much regret selling my tamron but unfortunately I don't have infinite funds

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Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:


Give us you 'best/most used 3' then?
Good idea, I'll add a few of my "most liked" adapted lenses on the FF E-mount

Olympus OM Zuiko:
24/2.8: very versatile lens, small and nice rendering/IQ
85/2: special, very sharp at smaller apertures, great for portraits at larger apertures, nice and quiet (but not sterile) bokeh


Voigtländer:
Nokton 35/1.2 II: special dreamy effects at 1.2 and 1.4, nice sharp at smaller apertures, a bit big and heavy
Heliar 40/2.8 (collapsible): Sharp from wide open, contrasty, nice rendering, light and small


Leica M:
Summicron 50/2 DR: sharp from wide open, very nice rendering with enough contrast and smooth gradients/transitions


Minolta Rokkor
MC17/4: terrible on APS-C (soft corners at any aperture) but surprisingly good on FF. Technically I don't understand why that is.
MC58/1.4: Much smaller than the famous 58/1.2, similar dreamy look wide open but not as pleasant as the 1.2 version, nice sharpness/contrast/gradients when stopped down.


M42:
Meyer-Görlitz Orestor 100/2.8: small, nice long damped focus action, sharp from wide open until the corners
SMC Takumar 50/4 macro: sharp from wide open, nice rendering and stellar construction, but only goes to 1:2

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