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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I recommend the Tamron 20 instead of the ultra wide converter for the 2/28.

Because screwing a 'filter' into a lens is goofy (my initial reaction when I found them).
Or because you've tried both?
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

The Zeiss 55/1.8 does seem to have extremely high praise. From everyone. I forget about this as it falls onto 'page 2' of the camera shop website I look at (listed in price order) and everything on page 2 is out of my range.

know what you mean!

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Fairly certain that 'my focal length' is somewhere in the 24/28/35/50 zone. Just need to find it now I've moved to FF again.

That said, "28+50 or 35" as two in-the-field options (dual lens or solo) would make a 35 and 28 fit into my line-up if I had a 28/35/50. Shame I 'need' a macro as that 55/1.8 looks wonderful. But I don't want to end up with 5+ lenses. Been a very very long time since I've had that as my actual kit. 2-3 is my preference.

One of the benefits of having a camera with more Mp than you actually need is being able to zoom/crop prime lenses on the camera to frame them, or (on shots difficult to frame, which are surprisingly common) leaving room around the subject to try the framing in PP.*
I find a 35mm crops easily down to 50mm but on FF a 55mm is just too narrow much of the time. For me 28mm is also a bit more narrow than I'd like, so I'd either pick a 24mm and a 35mm, or a 16/18mm and a 28/35mm. But then I love to get a lot of sky in, so havng nothing wider than 28mm with me on a day-trip would nto be my choice.

*Actually, one of the reasons for getting the A7Rii is that I can crop down to APS-C and still get plenty of detail in. 35 crops to 50, 20 crops to 30, 16 to 24.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I recommend the Tamron 20 instead of the ultra wide converter for the 2/28.

Because screwing a 'filter' into a lens is goofy (my initial reaction when I found them).
Or because you've tried both?

Yes, I recently bought the ultra wide converter. The Tamron 20 is actually lighter than the ultra wide converter by itself.

One nice thing about the converter is it does work on other lenses. It works on the APS-C primes that work with the smaller APS-C converters. I don't have the APS-C ultra wide converter anymore to compare it to. Only the FE 2/28 has the sensor for detecting the converters. Both converters for the 2/28 are supported by Lens Compensation when used on the 2/28.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

The Zeiss 55/1.8 does seem to have extremely high praise. From everyone. I forget about this as it falls onto 'page 2' of the camera shop website I look at (listed in price order) and everything on page 2 is out of my range.

- - -
know what you mean!

Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:


Fairly certain that 'my focal length' is somewhere in the 24/28/35/50 zone. Just need to find it now I've moved to FF again.

That said, "28+50 or 35" as two in-the-field options (dual lens or solo) would make a 35 and 28 fit into my line-up if I had a 28/35/50. Shame I 'need' a macro as that 55/1.8 looks wonderful. But I don't want to end up with 5+ lenses. Been a very very long time since I've had that as my actual kit. 2-3 is my preference.

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One of the benefits of having a camera with more Mp than you actually need is being able to zoom/crop prime lenses on the camera to frame them, or (on shots difficult to frame, which are surprisingly common) leaving room around the subject to try the framing in PP.*
I find a 35mm crops easily down to 50mm but on FF a 55mm is just too narrow much of the time. For me 28mm is also a bit more narrow than I'd like, so I'd either pick a 24mm and a 35mm, or a 16/18mm and a 28/35mm. But then I love to get a lot of sky in, so havng nothing wider than 28mm with me on a day-trip would nto be my choice.

*Actually, one of the reasons for getting the A7Rii is that I can crop down to APS-C and still get plenty of detail in. 35 crops to 50, 20 crops to 30, 16 to 24.


Actually, just re-checked and the 55/1.8 isn't as expensive as I'd remembered. My page 2 starts over £900 and I can pretty well just ignore that lot.

The 'using the wrong focal length and cropping' in is not something I do. I don't shoot anything fast action and will walk to the position I need to take the photo (part of the way I've always used primes). I might crop 5% off if I've messed up or to straighten. But I'd rather take the time to get the shot in camera than rely on bad framing in the field. I frame in camera.

I'm aware that there have been people who promote the use of say a 28mm in street shooting and crop to 50mm because they don't want to get into the right position for the scene - I'd rather not raise or take the camera. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of shooting street. The use of a wide angle is about getting into the shot and not standing away at the side lines. (Optical) Perspective is of course very different too.
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MY LINE UP
A7 II - lovely shutter sound
Sony FE 28/2 - to be my main outdoors lens
Sony FE 50/1.8 - bought new at half price (worth £80 for week50mm alone)
Sony RX100 IV - need to decide if this is a keeper (maybe as a video rig?!)
iPhoneSE2 - daily pocket camera

SERIOUS WISH LIST
Nothing - really want to try just 28/2 for a while
Zeiss FE 24-70/4 - promoted from ruled out - very strong contender for 'my only lens'
Sony FE 35/1.8 - new entry - if the 28/2 is too wide this makes bags of sense as a solo prime
Voigtländer FE 40/1.2 - new entry - if I switch to just one lens (and go manual)
Voigtländer FE 65/2 macro - new entry - probably a better manual option than the Sony 50/2.8

The dilemma being do I solo 28 or solo 24-70. 'Good' thing about lockdown is that I have plenty of time to wait until I can get out and about with the 28 and see if I gel with it. Have done a year with 12-35/2.8 (24-70) on m43 and enjoyed it. Also looking forward to running a few days (maybe a few weeks) with the 28/2 in manual focus mode to see if a true-manual 40/1.2 would work for my photo walks (not WR though).

Footnote - If I decide to go for a 3-lens set then the Samyang AF 18/2.8 would fit in well with the Sony 28/2 and Sony 50/2.8 macro.

Edited by dCap - 05 February 2021 at 12:00
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Voigtländer FE 40/1.2 - new entry - if I switch to just one lens (and go manual)

This is a wonderful one lens solution. I did some roadtrips with this set up & was very happy with it. The lens has high build quality (lasts you a lifetime), plenty sharp wide open, great colours, very subtile character in its images (subjective, I know), good fit for the A7 body.
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Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

Voigtländer FE 40/1.2 - new entry - if I switch to just one lens (and go manual)

This is a wonderful one lens solution. I did some roadtrips with this set up & was very happy with it. The lens has high build quality (lasts you a lifetime), plenty sharp wide open, great colours, very subtile character in its images (subjective, I know), good fit for the A7 body.


Definitely one I have always wanted. Did you get the 'SE' version which is slightly smaller (and cheaper) or the original one?
I am just looking for a 'SE' version to show up in used market.
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Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

Voigtländer FE 40/1.2 - new entry - if I switch to just one lens (and go manual)

This is a wonderful one lens solution. I did some roadtrips with this set up & was very happy with it. The lens has high build quality (lasts you a lifetime), plenty sharp wide open, great colours, very subtile character in its images (subjective, I know), good fit for the A7 body.


Subjective or not, I would not know how to spot a subtile let alone a very subtile character in images
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Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

Voigtländer FE 40/1.2 - new entry - if I switch to just one lens (and go manual)

This is a wonderful one lens solution. I did some roadtrips with this set up & was very happy with it. The lens has high build quality (lasts you a lifetime), plenty sharp wide open, great colours, very subtile character in its images (subjective, I know), good fit for the A7 body.


Yes - this one looks super duper!
40mm being the closest thing we have to a true standard 'field of view' too.
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Fred Miranda has said the C/V 40mm is more of a 42mm.

I like the Sigma 45mm in this range. The Sigma is more of a 43mm. It has under corrected spherical aberration, which makes a very nice transition to background out-of-focus.

Sigma 45/2.8 vs Sony FE 1.8/35

Sigma 45/2.8 vs C/V 40/1.4

Edited by QuietOC - 05 February 2021 at 18:03
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:


The dilemma being do I solo 28 or solo 24-70. 'Good' thing about lockdown is that I have plenty of time to wait until I can get out and about with the 28 and see if I gel with it.

I find I need alternative lens sets to keep me happy. Primes one day, zooms another, and just pick one lens for another occasion.

Edited by Miranda F - 23 February 2021 at 16:14
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

Voigtländer FE 40/1.2 - new entry - if I switch to just one lens (and go manual)

This is a wonderful one lens solution. I did some roadtrips with this set up & was very happy with it. The lens has high build quality (lasts you a lifetime), plenty sharp wide open, great colours, very subtile character in its images (subjective, I know), good fit for the A7 body.


Yes - this one looks super duper!
40mm being the closest thing we have to a true standard 'field of view' too.

Yes, the 40mm Zeiss Tessar in the tiny Rollei 35mm camera I had was an FL I got used to and liked a lot, though to be fair the 5x7 prints I generally used did crop a bit off the edges so probably 42-45mm in reality, and that worked for me.
50 was too tight and 28 was often too wide (though, curiously enough, I now take a lot of pictures at 18mm APS-C which is around 28mm FF).
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I could certainly entertain having both the 28/2 and 24-70/4 in my line-up ... my style means I tend to just take one lens out with me. But different locations could cause me to take one over the other. E.g. meeting up with friends/family for a meal, I'd just throw the 28/2 to grab a few shots on the way there/back. Vs a dedicated photo walk to a new place I'd take the 24-70/4.

Looking forward to moving on from home studio shooting ...

size:
https://camerasize.com/compact/#579.393,579.507,579.597,ha,t

(40/1.2 isn't in the db)

and quite incredible to see where I've moved from:
Panasonic 12-60/2.8-4 = 86x69mm = 320g = m43
Sony/Zeiss 24-70/4 = 95x73mm = 430g = FF
... 9mm longer, 4mm fatter, 110g heavier = 4x sensor size

Edited by dCap - 05 February 2021 at 22:21
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Having already entered an E-mount Lineup for the Nex-6, I was going to do another for the A7Rii and realised most of them are actually A-mount.
Maybe I'd better wait a while...
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