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Life was easy when budget is low. For a few years it was just the one camera + one lens (prime) set-up. When money became more ready availibly for hobby, and I thought my skills where up to it I started reading about which lens is best for ta certain purpose. My first e-mount camera created a easy (cheap) step into vintage glass, the charecter of different lenses boosting my creativity.

Over the last years I've bought and sold lots of lenses. Most bought secondhand and mostly sold without losing little or no money (some even making a little money ). I've noticed the the keepers are the ones that give sharp images with a wide open aperture (in the centre) & can handle flare pretty good.

I am a sucker for 35mm lenses. Bought a dozen lenses with this focal lenght, sold as many. Only one stayed with me, but I keep an eye out on new releases. This new anounced Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO ticks a lot of boxes for me
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-voigtlander-35mm-f2-apo-lanthar/

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@onsplekkie

I think in some ways it having enough money to buy new lenses, but not enough to get exactly what you want, is the hardest place to be in. If you've got no budget you just stick with what you've got.

If you can get the ones you want first time, it's easier.

It's when you have to try out lots of different options that it becomes tricky. There's always some compromise. And that leads to some desire to try out something new.

Everything Voigtlander does with their APO-Lanthar lenses is exceptionally good. I expect that the 35mm will be no exception. I await your review after you succumb and buy one...(agree with your 15/4.5 review also. If you shoot at f8-11, which is a common landscape setting, it's sharp across the frame, but at wider apertures the corners are noticeably softer)

(Personally I think I'll stick with the Zeiss Loxia 35/2. The weather sealing and the 52mm filter thread matter for me).

I'll be doomed though if they ever come out with a 135mm or similar, that is of reasonable size...
a7riii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 G; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Tamron 150-500 f5-6.7; Sony SAL 135/2.8 STF
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Hmm, ok, a couple of changes have crept in.

Made a low bid on a second-hand Sigma 70mm 2.8 Macro for sale here, and actually won. I guess if the price is low enough I can be tempted.

And with Tamron introducing the 150-500 f5-6.7 lens, I reconsidered the Sigma 100-400. Had to admit the Tamron fits the sweet spot between the Sigma 100-400 and Sony 200-600 for me. So traded the Sigma in to get the Tamron. I'd have probably got the Tamron first time if it had been available last year...

Also have sold off the a77ii and Sony 16-50 f2.8 SSM.
a7riii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 G; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Tamron 150-500 f5-6.7; Sony SAL 135/2.8 STF
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I hit that point with my A mount eventually. In the beginning I had no idea what I wanted or needed. I knew what I wanted to take photos of (dogs) but knew NOTHING about photography. So I kept buying lenses until I was overloaded with them. At one point I had 10 lenses (Minolta 28, 50, 135 and 70-210 f/4, 70-210 f/3.5-4.5, 80-200; Sony 18-55 and 55-300; Tokina 11-16; Tamron 200-400) plus some extension tubes. I was content with what I had. lol

But I realized that most of them sat around collecting dust.

I found I really mostly used the Minolta 135mm (for hiking), the Minolta 80-200mm (for other dog shoots), and the Tokina 11-16mm. Very occasionally I would use the Sony 55-300, and the Tamron came very late as a freebie from a friend who had no use for it.

When I switched to E mount this summer, I really pared down. I am ALMOST content. I started with the Tamron 70-180mm as it was the focal range I used the most often and due to how light it is, it's a good hiking lens (taking the place of the Minolta 80-200 and 135). I bought a Samyang 24mm f/2.8 for wide angle work. But then discovered that since I was now shooting full frame, I needed a bit more reach, so I got the Sigma 100-400. All I need is a 14mm f/2.8 and I think I will be at the contentment stage.

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The e-mount lens lineup thread shows I have been through a lot

I have basically given up on stability but I have kept certain focal lengths constant i.e. an 85mm prime, a fast wide angle prime (24mm or 35mm), a mid zoom with a good range (24-105mm, 28-200mm), and telezoom (100-400, 200-600mm).
While I might swap and change lenses, I'll try to acquire the best option is each of the classes/focal lengths.
(best doesn't necessarily mean the sharpest or most expensive)

I can't seem to be able to make my mind up on UWA lenses and that's perhaps one area where I have swapped and changed a lot but still no closer to something I like to keep long term
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Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

I hit that point with my A mount eventually. In the beginning I had no idea what I wanted or needed. I knew what I wanted to take photos of (dogs) but knew NOTHING about photography. So I kept buying lenses until I was overloaded with them. At one point I had 10 lenses (Minolta 28, 50, 135 and 70-210 f/4, 70-210 f/3.5-4.5, 80-200; Sony 18-55 and 55-300; Tokina 11-16; Tamron 200-400) plus some extension tubes. I was content with what I had. lol...


I think a lot of us went through that process. I accumulated a lot of lenses because I was shooting different subjects. I had a macro set, a landscape set, a portrait/event set, a wildlife set and a travel set of lenses. But in the process tried and sold on a lot of lenses.

The E-mount is the second-time round for many of us. We have a clearer idea of what parameters we need a lens to have for our subjects. And there has been improvements in lens design also. I can see for instance, why the Tamron 70-180/2.8 in your case is a great option to replace two lenses in a lighter, but still optically excellent combination. This makes simplification a bit easier.



a7riii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 G; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Tamron 150-500 f5-6.7; Sony SAL 135/2.8 STF
 



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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

The e-mount lens lineup thread shows I have been through a lot


Indeed, that list could be a record! Is there anything from your 'sold' list you'd consider adding back in?

I did consider a GM Zoom route (16-35/2.8, 24-73/2.8, 70-200/2.8) which might have been cheaper in the end than all the Zeiss lenses I've ended up with. But the weight of these in my pack plus the much larger size of the filters gave me pause.
a7riii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 G; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Tamron 150-500 f5-6.7; Sony SAL 135/2.8 STF
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I have way more lenses than I need. Almost all of it is due to lens recommendations from fellow Dyxumers.
But I bought them all used, mostly here or via eBay. I've gotten to know the lenses over time. Bought a few cheaper ones and then upgraded to their more expensive counterparts later. So I didn't spend way too much money, but that's subjective.

Now I have a cupboard full of lenses that I'm quite familiar and comfortable with. Most aren't even worth selling anymore since I'm (still) on A-mount.

My last lens was an impulse purchase of the 200/2.8 HS G. It's everything that people say it is, but 200mm isn't an FL that I use too much. That pretty much cured me of my GAS.
Owing to a recent minor accident I haven't shot much in the last few months but I think I have everything I will ever need. The only really missing lens is a high quality extreme tele in the 500mm/600mm range. I might get an E mount body plus the 200-600 just to fill that gap.
We'll see how that goes.

As of now, I desire no more lenses!
Curiously, I've never lusted after camera bodies; just lenses.

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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:



I think a lot of us went through that process. I accumulated a lot of lenses because I was shooting different subjects. I had a macro set, a landscape set, a portrait/event set, a wildlife set and a travel set of lenses. But in the process tried and sold on a lot of lenses.

The E-mount is the second-time round for many of us. We have a clearer idea of what parameters we need a lens to have for our subjects. And there has been improvements in lens design also. I can see for instance, why the Tamron 70-180/2.8 in your case is a great option to replace two lenses in a lighter, but still optically excellent combination. This makes simplification a bit easier.




I was always pretty much shooting the same subjects but I had so little clue on what I needed for what I wanted to shoot. I started off with the 18-55 kit lens and a crazy cheap Tamron 75-300 (99% sure it cost about $130 brand new back in the day lol). I knew I wanted a distance lens but that was it. I shot in auto mode and hoped for the best!

And then I found all these cheap Minolta lenses and just started buying them.

This time around? 10 years experience, plus classes, plus having built up some nice glass and knowing whereabouts I shoot? Definitely easier to simplify. I think I'll be happy with the 4 lenses, once I get the 14mm. From there, I'll only be not content if I want to upgrade one!
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Originally posted by crysania crysania wrote:

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I was always pretty much shooting the same subjects but I had so little clue on what I needed for what I wanted to shoot. I started off with the 18-55 kit lens and a crazy cheap Tamron 75-300 (99% sure it cost about $130 brand new back in the day lol). I knew I wanted a distance lens but that was it. I shot in auto mode and hoped for the best!...


When I started in 2008 with an a100, the (new) lenses available were the 11-18 DT, 18-70 DT, 20/2.8, 28/2.8, 35/1.4G, 50/1.4, 50/2.8 and 100/2.8 Macro, 135 STF, 75-300, 70-200/2.8 G, 300/2.8 G, 500/8 Mirror, and the 3 Zeiss lenses- CZ16-80, CZ85/1.4 & CZ135/1.8.

While things improved, any lineup you got had lots of compromises at the start.

This time round I started by prioritising my landscape kit, I wanted superb compact lenses that were great for manual focus. The lenses I wanted were there (Loxias). If I'd wanted fewer Zooms instead of multiple primes, I could have got the larger and heavier GM lenses. It just seems the compromises (other than budget) have largely been done away with. Decide what you want, and its probably available.
a7riii- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 G; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Tamron 150-500 f5-6.7; Sony SAL 135/2.8 STF
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My lineup is getting slim (CZ 24/1.8+Sammy 75/1.8) BUT:

1) The need of a telephoto zoom is constantly growing. What is missing is the money to get a 70-350 OSS

2) When I occasionally put a Rokkor in front of my A6000 everything changes. And an insane GAS starts growing in me. Unluckly, FF wideangle lens are not ideal on APSC so the idea of getting an old A7 body for them pops again up.

I deal with both of the ideas telling me I'm bad in manula focusing and that I have no time to get nice shots from wahtever lens I buy.
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

The e-mount lens lineup thread shows I have been through a lot


Indeed, that list could be a record! Is there anything from your 'sold' list you'd consider adding back in?

I did consider a GM Zoom route (16-35/2.8, 24-73/2.8, 70-200/2.8) which might have been cheaper in the end than all the Zeiss lenses I've ended up with. But the weight of these in my pack plus the much larger size of the filters gave me pause.


Not a huge lot... perhaps the UWA lenses as I swap and change more....
16-35mm/2.8, 12-24mm/4, 17-28mm/2.8, laowa 15mm f2 or 14GM

Lenses I really like just don't have money for:
24GM, 90G macro, 135GM and tamron 70-180mm/2.8

other lenses I have liked generally but either replaced or just not the focal length for me
FE55, Samyang AF 50mm f1.4, 24-105mm f4, 100-400GM, 28-60mm kit lens, samyang 45mm f1.8

you could always go down the route of tamrons if you find GMs big and heavy.
17-28mm, 28-75mm & 70-180mm.
Or a mix, 16-35mm, 70-180mm and something like 24-105mm or 28-200mm.

that new 35-150mm f2-2.8 looks like an interesting lens. I will get one when its cheaper and I can find a good used deal but for now its too heavy for me to consider it seriously.

Edited by nandbytes - 05 October 2021 at 09:58
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

The e-mount lens lineup thread shows I have been through a lot


Have you considered professional counseling for your problem?
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

The E-mount is the second-time round for many of us. We have a clearer idea of what parameters we need a lens to have for our subjects. And there has been improvements in lens design also. I can see for instance, why the Tamron 70-180/2.8 in your case is a great option to replace two lenses in a lighter, but still optically excellent combination. This makes simplification a bit easier.


But there are other differences between A-mount and E-mount. There are loads more 'average' zooms in A-mount that can be tried cheaply to see if there is anything you like, but if you want wide primes, E-mount has a better selection.

I think I pretty much reached the lens contentment stage in A-mount, bearing in mind I don't do FF except in film. In E-mount there's a long way to go, but I've tried to spend time with the LA-EA4 and those older FF lenses I do have. The big hole in my lens collection (either format) is f2.8 constant-aperture zooms; I know many 'togs regard one or two as essential but I've never really felt the lack, given how many of them seem (from reviews here) to be quite poor at f2.8. I guess the real point of them is in getting the background OOF in portraits but I rarely do those and I have 85mm, 90mm, and 135mm f2.8 primes for the occasion. The kit 28-75 OSS lens is slow at the long end but quite usable wide open. I will probably replace it with something faster & better at some point, but I quite often use A-mount variable versions like the Sony 24-105mm and Sigma 28-105mm which do what I need most of the time.
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