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    Posted: 19 January 2023 at 13:35
Surprisingly nobody here started a thread about the unique Sony FE 20-70mm F4 G.

I know a lot of people love their 24-70 or 24-105 lenses, but I feel 24mm is here nor there. Not really wider then 28mm but not wide enough in most situations. Especially in cities. I used to travel with a 16/17-35mm and an 85mm lens on full frame for city trips. This lens could do the same for me in one lens (apart for the f/stop of the 85mm). Use it with the 70-200/4G and you have a high quality 20-200mm two lens set. The 20mm wide end is so much better then the old 24mm.

I will probably not get this lens. It is expensive, too expensive in Europe. I do not use normal zooms that much. I have the small Sigma DG DN 28-70/2.8 to bring for those few cases I need a zoom in between my 20/1.8G and 85/1.8.

Anyway, I feel the Sony 20-70/4G is the quintessential travel lens. What do you think?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 14:43
I have noticed it and watched a number of YouTube reviews and seems like a great lens and a unique focal range, for sure. I think for someone new to the FE mount it would be a good choice. But for me at the moment, I have enough zoom lenses and am satisfied with what I have, even though this one seems like a better lens. For many people this lens and a 70-200 f4 might be all the lenses they need. Of course like a lot of the newer zoom lenses it has a lot of distortion uncorrected without a PS/LR profile for RAW files. As for it being the ideal travel lens? Perhaps, depending on what one likes to photograph.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 14:50
Also rumor has it that Sony is set to introduce a new 50mm f1.4 GM which is interesting. Might have to sell my ZA 50mm f1.4!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hezu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 15:51
I have bit mixed feelings on this new lens: on the other hand the wider wide end sounds useful, but then as I love the telephoto end of Sony FE 4/24-105 G OSS I am bit unsure if 70 mm telephoto end is sufficient (unless I carry around also another lens, eg. Tamron 50-400). I guess at least I won't preorder this new Sony and wait till I can test it myself.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 16:02
I think it's great Sony brought out a lens with an uncommon zoom range and it seems to be light and small as an added benefit.
My current travel set up is a Tamron 28-200 mm paired with a Tamron 20 mm for wide angle so I don't think this lens is for me. Like Heikki I use the telephoto flexibility a lot and don't think 70 mm is long enough for my needs, but for people who also carry a 70-200 mm around it's probably a great addition to have a great 2 lens set up without any gap.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 16:20
I agree that for me, 70mm is not long enough. like Pieter, my go to travel zoom is the Tamron 28-200mm, which is an under appreciated lens! I have been traveling with it and the FE-16-35mm f4 ZA.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 17:52
I would have happily bought this instead of the 24-105 G if it had been available then. I am not in any hurry to get it now. It is a bit heavier and extends more than the Sigma 28-70 F2.8 DN C. I prefer no aperture control, a wider zoom grip, no switches or buttons.

It is odd that they are releasing zooms without OSS when they just added the ability for OSS and IBIS to work together on the A7RV.

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Had this been available earlier, I would have considered. However, having recently purchased a Mint+ used Tamron 2.8/28-75 to take on our trip to Germany next week, it will go down as a missed opportunity. Even if I had been able to extend the zoom range to 20mm, I would still feel the need to take along the Rokinon 1.8/24mm, both for it's tiny size/weight and the 1.8 for walking European cities in the Blue Hour and after dark.

Perhaps I'll be able to see the 4/20-70 while away, but the much higher EU price will keep my GAS well under control. Seriously, US$1100 vs EURO1600?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 19:03
The 28-75 will be just fine for most street photography in Germany. I don't know where you are and how familiar you are with Germany, but sometimes streets are very narrow and you may be in tight spaces. Those are the occasions when wide angle lenses are handy. My wife and I grew up in the Heidelberg area and return as often as possible. Anyway normally 35-40mm is a good focal length for streets.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 19:21
Starting off in Frankfurt, where our daughter is living/working. We've been to the UK and Eire many times, but our first time in the continental EU. Doing a 3 week circle trip by train: Salzburg, Hallstatt, Innsbruck, Adelboden, Colmar, Paris and Ghent , then back to Frankfurt.

Thanks for the advice about the 28-75 working most places. That was my thought when buying it, but I definitely use lenses wider than 28mm normally. Hence the 1.8/24mm. Had to decide between taking the Minolta AF 2.8/20mm or 2.8/16mm fish-eye for ultra-wide interiors using the LA-EA5. Decided on the 16mm. A bit heavier than ideal with the LA attached, but worth it for some of the places we're going.

This trip was a long time planning, my wife does where we go (with my limited input), I spent more time trying to scale down the kit without losing capability.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2023 at 21:56
Frankfurt is a large city. Like many alot was flattened during WWII,so many building were from after the war, but there are still older parts of town that should be interesting. I worked for the Japanese HiFi Company Pioneer, and we were based near Frankfurt.
Austria should have a lot of interesting places to photograph. Hopefully will have a lot of snow when you are there. Get some good train photos since you will be traveling by that mode. Happy trails and have fun!
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

I agree that for me, 70mm is not long enough. like Pieter, my go to travel zoom is the Tamron 28-200mm, which is an under appreciated lens! I have been traveling with it and the FE-16-35mm f4 ZA.


The 20mm end is nice, but yes, 70mm is a bit on the short side. My travel rule of thumb was to always start with a short zoom and a long zoom, and then add (or replace the long zoom) a specialist lens if you have certain goals. My current main stay is the Sony 24-105mm.

The art so to speak of travel photography, was always to see what you could shoot with just a small kit that you bring. It forces a different kind of creativity I learned quickly not to take lenses for *every* eventuality.

You can also often fudge say, a close up shot with a diopter instead of bringing a macro lens. Stitching 2-3 shots can also create a 'wider angle' perspective.
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I bad mouthed Sony on the plans for the new year thread for copying the "standard" focal lengths, then they come out with a 20-70 LOL.

I have a Panasonic FZ300 compact/bridge that has angle-of-view equivalent 20-1200, and the 20mm is very useful. Of course the Sony marketing department is ignoring the Panasonic 20-60 and the Tamron 20-40....

The lack of stabilzation is surprising, and is a return to the Amount days when Sony lenses were expensive despite not having stabilization (yes apparently the Euro market pays 50% more for the 20-70?????). It has an aperture ring, and AF/MF switch, and FocusHold button; I don't understand why all lenses don't have that. It doesn't have the sexy Olympus push-pull clutch for Manual Focus, but otherwise seems fully spec'd.

Olympus has the 2 year old 8-25/4, which seems a much more useful angle-of-view equivalent, 16-50mm is everything except "portrait" and "tele", and for travel/landscape/architecture wider is better, then a tele for "tele" and a fast 1.8 prime, the Oly 45/1.8 is well-regarded and tiny.

My travel kit has been a compact/bridge (Panasonic FZ1000) and nex7 (or 5n with external viewfinder) with Minolta MD 50/1.7.

There are several of you who swear by the Tamron 28-200; when the 35-150/f2-2.8 came out I lamented it wasn't 28-135 to copy the Secret Handshake and you pointed me to the 28-200, I guess 28/2.8 at the wide end is almost perfect (but 28/2 is more perfect LOL).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2023 at 06:54
Most people here seem to have a normal zoom and the 20mm wide end is interesting, but not enough to buy it. I hope other people will as it is an interesting lens.

I thought the Tamron 20-40 was a disappointment. 20mm wide is fine, but the 40mm is not even a true normal. Tamron made a 20-40/2.7-3.5 in 1994 and Sigma made a 20-40/2.8 in 2001. A 20-40/2.8 in 2022 is not impressive. Also, Canon had a 17-40/4L in 2003. The Tamron 20-40 is not really in the same class as the 20-70/4G.

16-50 is a nice range, but tbh I would have been happy with a 20-50. The new lens gives an extra 20mm extra on the long end.
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