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    Posted: 31 August 2013 at 02:54
I missed this pic while I was on vacation. After reading through the (great!) feedback you've already received, I wanted to add one thing.

In the orig. picture, the girls look naked, but the way they're posing and the way you compose the original shot doesn't feel like it's appropriate for a nude shoot. It looks like they're sisters or friends - people who wouldn't normally be posing nude together. It made me wonder if they were wearing strapless dresses that you just happened to cut off.

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Thanks everyone, I will consider suggestions for next session and post the results here. I'd like to add some short notes:

Usage of aperture mode.

Since AF is doing a lot of errors, I have to use manual focus mode. And because DOF is quite limited, I have to use focus magnifier to provide precise focus. On my Sony SLT-A57, when using fully manual mode, focus magnifier does not works.

Choice of "models".

Here, due to local traditions, it's very hard to get adorable girl for modeling shots for the affordable price. Ones that will agree for shooting for low price or free, look very hmmmmmm :) I agree, that dark haired girl is much more open, natural looking and has nicer shapes in overall. Below are some shots with her:



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 18:22
OK, here's my 2p worth.

I think it's already been said, but if you ensure that the background is far enough away from the subject it will remain black, unless the flash is very powerful.

You have correctly identified the framing problem; cutting off the side of the the nearest girl's hair was not a good idea in this case. There should be at least some space between the girl and the edge of the image.

The pose seems awkward and stiff to me. The right hand girl seems a bit tense. The expression on the dark haired girl's face is much better. Then the girl at the back is slightly hidden; I think we need to see at least a bit more of her. And by placing one girl on front of the other you have ensured that the one in front dominates. Her head appears larger than the head of the dark haired girl and because she is closer to the left hand light, the highlights on her face are more exposed than those of the dark haired girl.

I see what you were trying to do with the lighting, but in my view it could be improved. The right hand light could do with less power in my view and I would not have placed it so far down. I'm not sure why you wanted to conceal the difference in skin tones, but I think you have overdone the gel somewhat. It doesn't look like a tan to me, more a mistake in lighting or colour balance.

So to summarise: move both girls to the left a bit, bring the dark haired girl forward round the other girl's shoulder, get the fair-headed girl to relax a bit more, move the right light upwards a bit and get rid of the gel (or use a less intense gel). Then I think you would have a usable image.

I see you were using aperture priority. I would suggest manual exposure and manual flash. That way you have more control.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MartyMoose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 15:55
Originally posted by CuriousOne CuriousOne wrote:

Well, seems like I made improper topic title.

The question was not exactly how to fix this current photo, it was how to fix the particular shooting errors. This photo has no value, I've taken a bunch of them, and client was me, not them, so I need suggestions not how to fix this photo, but what to change in future lightning/etc setup, to avoid same errors shown in this photo.

Oh, yeah that's different.

What I like about the image...
Natural looking models, implied nudes
Gold colored light gives an impression of early sunlight or good health?
Eye contact

What I don't like about the image...
The composition for being square to the camera position
The framing of the subjects
One body with two heads
The background
Lighting

There is connection with the observer with good eye contact and connection between the two models with touching, but the composition seems to lack energy or interest.

If these are implied nudes then I think that was accomplished, but if they are nudes then they could benefit with more style/grace to the composition.

Composition... These ladies might benefit with feminine posturing versus being square to the camera position. Some very successful photographers have made a great living from portraits of clients' head and shoulders square with the camera position, but there's usually some other element(s) to the image such as deep display of emotion, human physical character, etc.

For the lighting... Im unsure. That's to-taste I suppose. However, in direct response to the question, there are three properties in this photo I'd change prior to the next session: composition, lighting and background.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote bigwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 13:02
I'm curious about the story behind this photo CuriousOne, the mood and feeling you are aiming for.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote CuriousOne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 12:10
Well, seems like I made improper topic title.

The question was not exactly how to fix this current photo, it was how to fix the particular shooting errors. This photo has no value, I've taken a bunch of them, and client was me, not them, so I need suggestions not how to fix this photo, but what to change in future lightning/etc setup, to avoid same errors shown in this photo.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote MartyMoose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 02:46
To the OP...

I like the photo you originally posted the best of all the edit offerings thus far. I think the background needs some work, not the ladies, per se.

If you can mask the background with some complimentary cool temperature then you might be onto something. If it were me, I'd spend a little time doing some masking work but I would nt spend too much time on it unless the picture was important to the client.

Good luck and have fun
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Post Options Post Options   Quote brettania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 02:37
A bit too dark, methinks. Makes the women look haggard.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Koloth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 02:24
svjetlana............ you beat me to it with your conversion to bw, I was going to suggest the same but with a bit more contrast. Heres my quick imperfect example..


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That works better svjetlana.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote brettania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2013 at 00:34
Originally posted by CuriousOne CuriousOne wrote:

Thanks, but besides the color fix, these improvements also make imperfections more prominent, don't you think so?
I can only work with what you offer.
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Hi Alex / CuriousOne, here my suggestion. A bit more mysteriously...



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Post Options Post Options   Quote CuriousOne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2013 at 16:26
Thanks, but besides the color fix, these improvements also make imperfections more prominent, don't you think so?
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