FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

ADP-AMA adapter with Dynax 7, TTL & HSS

Page  12>
Author
rastapartaman View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 03 March 2007
Country: Portugal
Location: Berkshire
Status: Offline
Posts: 525
Post Options Post Options   Quote rastapartaman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: ADP-AMA adapter with Dynax 7, TTL & HSS
    Posted: 22 January 2023 at 16:06
Another great flash that does TTL and HSS is the Metz 54 mz3. Can also be used off camera. I've only used it with digital but it gave better results than the Minolta 5600. Just make sure you get it with the right hot shoe.
Don't think, Just click it!!

my Flickr
 



Back to Top
neilt3 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 13 September 2010
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Manchester.U.K
Status: Offline
Posts: 3140
Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2023 at 11:12
Originally posted by Hyacin Hyacin wrote:

Yeah good call... $60 (used 3600 HS D I found) and problem solved. If I need more than one off-camera flash I can just shoot with my A9 ... not like I'm going to be doing any serious heavy-duty portrait sessions with the Maxxum 7 (or at all for that matter).

Thanks!

and thanks!!   



$60 for a 3600HS/D ?
That sounds expensive , even for Canada ! They sell for £15-£20 over here .
The UK £ is about a US $ , I'm not sure about the Canadian $ .
Have you had a look on ebay and click on the "sold items" filter ? This will show you what they have actually been selling for rather than just what they are being listed at .

I'd keep looking . It depends on what and how you want to use the flash for , as all the Minolta iISO hot shoed flashes are fully compatible with the Dynax 7 .

If all you wanted was TTL flash control , with the flash staying mounted on the camera , the Minolta 5200i would do the job .
No off camera flash , no HHS . Just a good sized flash that is hotshoe mounted .
Costs next to nothing .

If you want flash that works on camera or off camera wirelessly , controlled by the Dynax 7's flash with full TTL metering ,the Minolta 5400xi or 3500xi flashes will do you .
Still very cheap flashes . You might even pick up the smaller 3500xi for less than $10 .

The next model up give you Wireless TTL flash control , as above , but also add high speed synch ( HSS ) . They allow you to to fire the shutter faster than usual , 1/12000 second on the Dynax 9xi , and still have full flash coverage .
This is typically used on sunny days with fast lenses where you need a bit of fill in flash where a fast shutter speed would otherwise result in over exposure .
This flash is the Minolta 5400HS .
All the above flashes are very cheap as they only function correctly and with TTL with film cameras , they have limited use on digital .

The Minolta 3600HS/D , Minolta 5600HS/D and rebadged as the Sony HVL-F36AM & HVL-F56AM are the dearest just because they work fully with digital cameras .

If you want to experiment with TTL flash with the Dynax 7 , save your money and get the earlier models . If you want only one flash that can be used on either film or digital , get the later Minolta HS/D model or Sony version .
If you want to experiment with multiple off camera flash with the film camera only , then some of the xi flashes would be the cheap option . If you get the larger model to mount on the camera you then have the option of playing around with ratio flash control , where different flashes fire with different outputs .

For the specifications of what gear Minolta ( and Sony ) made , see here ;
https://mhohner.de/sony-minolta/flashes.php?shoe=2

For lot's of information on Minolta's wireless flash control , a nice article on the Dynax 7 , look at the Friedman archives ;

https://www.friedmanarchives.com/?s=flash+control

There's a lot more than just that article on his website .
That should give you somewhere to start .
see my photostream on flickr;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/
C & C welcome.
Back to Top
Hyacin View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Joined: 20 January 2023
Country: Canada
Status: Offline
Posts: 2
Post Options Post Options   Quote Hyacin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2023 at 06:35
Yeah good call... $60 (used 3600 HS D I found) and problem solved. If I need more than one off-camera flash I can just shoot with my A9 ... not like I'm going to be doing any serious heavy-duty portrait sessions with the Maxxum 7 (or at all for that matter).

Thanks!

and thanks!!   
Back to Top
neilt3 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 13 September 2010
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Manchester.U.K
Status: Offline
Posts: 3140
Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2023 at 01:12
There has been no further progress in getting modern flashes to work with film cameras as as time passes they just become more distant technology .
Minolta film cameras ceased to be produced in 2006 , 16 years ago .
Third party flashes designed for the new Sony multi interface shoe aren't even designed to fit on a film camera , let alone communicate with one .
Even Sony dropped compatibility with TTL flash for film cameras years ago , as they never made a film camera !


If you want a flash to work on your Maxxum 7 , the cheapest way of doing it is to forget adapters and just buy something like the Minolta 5400HS or Minolta 5600HS/D .
Both support TTL metering , high speed sync and wireless flash control .
The Minolta 5600HS/D would also work on your Sony a9 via the adapter .

P.S , welcome to the forum .
see my photostream on flickr;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/
C & C welcome.
Back to Top
Hyacin View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Joined: 20 January 2023
Country: Canada
Status: Offline
Posts: 2
Post Options Post Options   Quote Hyacin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2023 at 22:51
Originally posted by anewman anewman wrote:

F stop reads as f/1.0 on flash


Hello from the distant future!

I'm trying to get all my Godox gear I use with my A9 working with my 'new' (to me, obv) Maxxum 7. This caught my eye as it's doing the EXACT same thing!

Maxxum 7 -> ADP-AMA -> Xpro, XproII or TT685II

The camera seems to see that there is a flash and the flash icon lights up, but it never fires. The XproII even has a single-pin mode that I was hoping would work, but it's not either.

Seeing F1.0 come up on the flash screen whenever I change the aperture or shutter was interesting.

I'm contemplating a PC to 2.5mm cable and just wiring the trigger to the PC port, but I really, really, really hope to get ADP or TTL mode working. If anyone has made any further progress on this in the last 7 years, any input would be appreciated!

I'm also looking at a "JSC-6 adapter" which is "Minolta hotshoe" to "Standard ISO hotshoe" instead of MI - I'm hoping at least single pin mode with the XproII will work with that adapter.
Back to Top
anewman View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 19 November 2015
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Newport S Wales
Status: Offline
Posts: 67
Post Options Post Options   Quote anewman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2016 at 18:08
Noticing the Sony HVL-F60M claims to work with the Dynax 7 film camera in TTL and HSS, and seeing the ADP-AMA available at Amazon Warehouse for £16, I was inquisitive enough to try.

F stop reads as f/1.0 on flash and the flash keeps turning off and rebooting. The HSS indicator does come on in the camera so it might fire manually and do HSS. TTL is the main thing I was hoping for as it removes the need for a dedicated flash meter and takes any guess work out of using manual.

TLDR - doesn't work.
 



Back to Top
IanL View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 30 December 2010
Country: Great Britain
Location: Jersey,C.I.
Status: Offline
Posts: 2126
Post Options Post Options   Quote IanL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 11:52
I very much doubt that the Godox would have been reverse engineered for the film camera capability. Not worth the effort.
Ian
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 4073
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 08:13
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

There is some more info on the 5400 HS on the Mhohner site. His flash compendium might also be helpful.


You can use the 5400 HS in manual mode. The Vivitar 283/285 aren't easier and have considerably less power.
(A common typo is 5400HS(D), but no such flash exists, just a 5600HS(D))


Quite right, thanks for the correction!
Agree the Vivitars are very dated and limited in capability, but they do have aperture auto so you can get a consistent flash on or off camera without knowing the flash-subject distance, and you can adjust the exposure with camera aperture. Does the 5400HS have that mode?
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Online
Posts: 14016
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 07:39
There is some more info on the 5400 HS on the Mhohner site. His flash compendium might also be helpful.


You can use the 5400 HS in manual mode. The Vivitar 283/285 aren't easier and have considerably less power.
(A common typo is 5400HS(D), but no such flash exists, just a 5600HS(D))
Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 4073
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 07:03
I think the 5400HS is an analogue flash, so it should work fully on the Dynax 7 (which can use analogue or digital flashes) directly, but not the 7D or indeed any Sony digital SLR/SLT/E-mount which are all digital. The 5400HS(D) wil do analogue or digital.

If you mean work with the Godex remote, I don't know; does the 5400S give you anything clever with the Godex on your E-mount? I'm a little surprised if it does - I'd expect you to get basic flash only.

I could be wrong, but I think the foot converter just converts the foot mechanically and brings the right connections out, but doesn't do anything clever.

So, no, don't expect the 5400HS to do HSS or TTL with any digital camera whatever the electronics you mput between them - they talk in different languages. That's why the HS models are cheap and the HS(D)s are not!

Ironically, you *might* be better off with an older generation flash like the Vivitar 283/285, which at least can do auto on their own on or off the camera and should still do that with a radio trigger.

Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
Back to Top
anewman View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 19 November 2015
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Newport S Wales
Status: Offline
Posts: 67
Post Options Post Options   Quote anewman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 20:44
Apologies for typo and confusion caused.

I hope to be able to use the Godox TT685S with the Dynax 7 film camera and use TTL and/or HSS.

I've read there are differences between film TTL (single flash) and digital TTL (double flash). Apparently the 5400hs will not work with digital, but the 5600hs will work with both. I guess it depends on if the Godox flash retains that backwards compatibility.

If I manage to try it out and have a film developed to ensure it works properly will report back.

Just come across this which is a fascinating read (dated 2002) specifically regarding the Dynax 7 and flash http://photo.net/equipment/minolta/maxxum7

Edit: I tried triggering the Godox with the inbuilt flash on the Dynax 7 and that doesn't work. I've tried the Godox on my Sony A7 in wireless mode and that won't trigger the 5400hs.

Edited by anewman - 28 April 2016 at 21:23
Back to Top
sybersitizen View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 04 August 2006
Country: United States
Location: California
Status: Offline
Posts: 14444
Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 18:34
Come to think of it, I suppose there's a roughly equal chance that the Godox can be wirelessly controlled by the pop-up flash of the Dynax 7 without needing the Godox transmitter. The flash is stated to be compatible with Sony's optical wireless system (along with its own radio communication system). Depending on the company's thoroughness in reverse engineering, that might carry over to Minolta film cameras as well.
Back to Top
sybersitizen View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 04 August 2006
Country: United States
Location: California
Status: Offline
Posts: 14444
Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 16:57
Originally posted by anewman anewman wrote:

As an E mount digital user I recently jumped on the Godox flash bandwagon and purchased a Godox TT6855 and X1T-S wireless trigger.

You have a typo there - it's a Godox TT685S.

I have a Minolta 5400hs.

Okay, but I assume that's not part of the following question.

However, I was wondering if there was the remote possibility an ADP-AMA adapter would let TTL and HSS work on a Dynax 7?

I'd say yes, there's a remote possibility that would allow the Godox flash to do its stuff with a Dynax 7 either shoe-mounted or via the Godox transmitter ... but you might be the first person to attempt it.
Back to Top
artuk View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 06 July 2007
Country: United Kingdom
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Posts: 3751
Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 16:36
It's impossible to answer the,question without being clear if you own a E-mount A7, or a Dynax 7D, as they have different flash shoes.

It's also impossible until you clarify whether you want to use your Minolta or Godox flash with the camera, and in what way (on camera, has, off camera).

Sorry.
Art
Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Equipment forums > Camera Talk > Film cameras Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the alpha system photographer

In memory of Cameron Hill - brettania

Feel free to contact us if needed.