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    Posted: 12 February 2019 at 00:01
Just some food for thought. Would there be sexism in photography in the context this thread seems to be following, if you took away the money angle? To explain, would we be having this conversation about sexism in photography if the photography in question was not a business that involved any kind of financial transaction? Just a question, nothing implied by it as such.
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Originally posted by horizon horizon wrote:

Not so much as "Met the Standard", but more to the point of "Met the Criteria" such as Social Media followers, Youtubers and Educators etc, etc, etc.

I only know of one of those selected, and prior to him being selected as a Sony Ambassador a few years ago, I have never heard of him prior to that.

So to me, they are All Unkowns.


Sony recently had a promotion for 'be alpha' for women. I believe this was a US promotion. I did not apply, as I felt they were looking for pros and I am not. BUT, if I had wanted to apply, it would have been very difficult, as Sony was asking for a good body of stuff including original video from applicants and I only found out about it a few days before the deadline. What they were asking for would require at least a couple weeks to get together. I'm pretty in tune to social media, sony, etc, so it's odd I did not even know until close to deadline. Leads me to believe Sony did not do a great job promoting it.
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[edit] One of the good things about Dyxum - decent moderation. Meanwhile, over on Facebook the misogyny is unfettered and quite toxic.[/edit]

Don't worry, the list has been updated and there are now two female Advocates out of the twenty. Surely 10% is a vast improvement. We can all rest easy now.

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Not so much as "Met the Standard", but more to the point of "Met the Criteria" such as Social Media followers, Youtubers and Educators etc, etc, etc.

I only know of one of those selected, and prior to him being selected as a Sony Ambassador a few years ago, I have never heard of him prior to that.

So to me, they are All Unkowns.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Yes, there is sexism and racism in photography, just like there is in society at large.

That Sony only added one woman to the list does not mean it was a sexist move. It is possible there were less female photographers who showed interest. It seems Australian Photography did not ask Sony - that is bad journalism But it is bad PR for Sony.

I looked at the global ambassadors and most are male, but a fair amount is female.


There's sexism and racism everywhere else , so there's bound to be some in photography . Quite wrongly I might add .

Regarding the global ambassadors , presumably they are made up of professional photographers ?
Anyone know what the ratio of male/female professional photographers are ?
Anyone know how many applied , male and female ?
And how many of them met the standard ?

It sounds like there wasn't 20 people that that applied that met the standard , just the 16 , regardless of sex .
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Yes, there is sexism and racism in photography, just like there is in society at large.

That Sony only added one woman to the list does not mean it was a sexist move. It is possible there were less female photographers who showed interest. It seems Australian Photography did not ask Sony - that is bad journalism But it is bad PR for Sony.

I looked at the global ambassadors and most are male, but a fair amount is female.
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Originally posted by Atom Ant Oz Atom Ant Oz wrote:

Sony Australia, oops again.

As reported in Australian Photography, Sony Australia name 16 new Digital Imaging Advocates, just one woman
and when someone on Facebook commented on the discrepancy, this kind of response was not uncommon:
To imply the results as some sort of weird male privilege makes the mockery of the skills and professional achievement they have. If you don't like the result you can either choose to learn from the success of others, work harder and hope for the best.

Or just give up and sell off your Sony gears.

I know a few of the new Advocates, and they do good work, as photographers and as mentors or educators. But, I am very surprised that Sony was able to identify only one suitable woman. And it's not like the we're a couple of others who were suitable but missed our because there weren't enough spaces - Sony advertised that they were seeking twenty but only appointed sixteen.
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Sony Australia, oops again.

As reported in Australian Photography, Sony Australia name 16 new Digital Imaging Advocates, just one woman
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2018 at 05:47
Sometimes I'm completely ignored in the local camera stores, and that's after I've bought things there, including camera bodies and lenses and many accessories. Other times I'm helped. It's hard to predict. Now I've befriended someone who works there and will be sure to visit when they are in store.
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Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

Eclipse,

It's sad that these gender stereotypes are still with us.

It is sad, yes. Also rather enraging at times.

Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

,,, a barrage of technical questions about the product that clearly went way over the supervisor's head ...

I have learned to my chagrin that most retail clerks in the tech sectors are (by my lights) pretty ignorant of their products. Questions from customers who are professionals in the field -- or even avid amateurs -- will leave them hopelessly floundering for answers. Computers, cameras, cellphones... I regularly need to ask to see spec-sheets, have them find exact model-numbers (not clear from retail displays) so *I* can research specs myself (that they clearly don't understand), etc etc etc...

I don't usually experience the blatant disrespect you describe, though it has happened once or twice that some arrogant twit thought his marginally-more-informed-than-other-sales-units information let him talk down to someone who'd been a "systems engineer" in that realm for years... :-P

I must say, Basil, I _REALLY_ liked your story of how your wife educated the folks in that store!
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Eclipse,

It's sad that these gender stereotypes are still with us. I get to see it firsthand when I shop with my wife.I went with her a few years ago while she was buying new laptops for her work group. She works in IT and knew the exact specs that she needed. The salesman kept addressing me, even if she asked the question. Finally, in her sweetest voice, she asked to speak to the supervisor. After assuring the young lad that yes, she really needed to ask the supervisor a question, he reluctantly went off and returned with his boss...a woman. My sweet, loving wife then proceeded to lay into that poor woman with a barrage of technical questions about the product that clearly went way over the supervisor's head. When she was finished, she looked at the young male salesman and said in a calm, but firm voice: "Don't you ever have that same condescending attitude with a female customer again. You just cost yourself a $10,000 sale with recurring upgrades and service contracts". The she smiled at both of them and turned to walk out. I just grinned and shook my head from side to side. We walked out to the rather harsh sound of the supervisor saying a few choice words to her former salesman. When we got back to the car, my wife laughed and said that she has so much fun doing that to those clueless little twits. Perhaps some day they will learn.

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Try being a woman and going into a shop to buy photographic gear.
You may have a pleasant experience where you are treated with respect, or you may be treated like an idiot.
I recall going into a camera shop to buy an SLR. I happened to have my brother with me. the sales assistant (young male, who would have been in nappies when I was first working in a darkroom) addressed his entire sales talk to my brother. If asked a question by me, he replied to my brother. This continued even after my exasperated brother said, in terms, 'she is buying it, she will be paying for it, she will be the one using it, talk to her'. It made absolutely no difference. They had done exactly the same a few years before with a slide projector, that time the person they spoke to was my husband.
I didn't buy anything, or go in there for years after that second experience. I went to another town for my gear.

Next time I went in was years later, for some pro slide-film (my usual film shop only stocked Fuji and I needed Kodak). I needed to see the reciprocity data because I was going to be taking very long exposures. I asked for the data sheets. Another young man told me I didn't need them. I said I did. He said I didn't, and I should buy a basic consumer slide film. I said they were not the same. He said yes they were. I asked, why, in that case, the pro films cost a lot more. He said (and I quote, it is burned on my memory) 'someone like you wouldn't be able to tell the difference'.
The only thing he knew about me was my gender. I'm willing to bet that he would not have spoken to a man my age like that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ricardovaste Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2018 at 16:03
Pete, great insight, thanks for sharing!

I did think about posting about this again... Note that I shared this in September 2017, ONE MONTH before the whole Weinstein controversy and the #MeToo movement in Hollywood (and beyond).

I wonder if some of our opinions have been re-evaluated since then...
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no doubt that sexism still happens in photography, its just an extension of the rest of society.

It does go both ways, you'll find that there is a bias towards female newborn photographers for example
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