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    Posted: 15 January 2018 at 19:52
Samples: Leitz Tele-Elmarit 90mm F2.8

There are the following versions of this lens:
  1. Tele-Elmarit 90mm F2.8 - aka "fat" Tele-Elmarit
  2. Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm F2.8 - aka "thin" Tele-Elmarit

    mount: LM
    format: FF
    year: 1964-1974 (1) | 1974-1990 (2)
    max aperture: F2.8
    min aperture: F16
    elements/group: 5 in 3 (1) | 4 in 4 (2)
    aperture blades: 10
    min focus distance (mm): 1000
    filter diameter (mm): 39
    length (mm): 60 (1) | 67 (2)
    weight (g): 355 (1) | 225 (2)

    additional information:
    (1) Leica Order No. 11807, 11899, 11800, 11129-black
    (2) Leica Order No. 11800


    (1) | (2)


    This thread is open for C&C and for posting additional pictures. Please ONLY post pictures taken with the lens in the title- or start a new thread.
    Please state camera, version of the lens and adapter in your post!

    Edited by Micholand - 18 January 2018 at 18:20
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All @f5.6 and with a7 + LM - NEX helicoid adapter

#1


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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2018 at 23:36
Great set of examples of this great lens.

It might be helpful to know about the serial number and the type of the Elmarit-M since there is some variation of IQ.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Micholand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2018 at 18:05
Harald, it seems that you mix up the "fat" 'Tele-Elmarit' (built from 1964-1974) superseded by this "thin" 'Tele-Elmarit-M' (built from 1974-1990).

Also the optical scheme of the previous Tele-Elmarit is different: 5 lenses in 3 groups.
And then there is the first version 90mm F2.8 'Elmarit' (1959-1974) as well as latest 'Elmarit-M' 90mm F2.8 (introduced in the 1990s) - sample thread .

Names can be confusing, so I've added a lens pic to visualize and make it more clear which 90mm Leica-M lens this thread is about
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Micholand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2018 at 18:07
And a few more...

#6 | @f2


#7 | @f8


#8 | @f5.6


#9 | @f8
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Please stop it Michael, they are too nice, but this year is dedicated to Meyer already. Maybe a Leitz theme next year ?
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2018 at 18:53
Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

Please stop it Michael, they are too nice, but this year is dedicated to Meyer already. Maybe a Leitz theme next year ?
Good idea Fred, at least then I can participate allthough I'm on the look out for a Meyer as well.

Michael, does your Tele-Elmarit 90/2.8 show any dark corners on the A7? My Elmarit 90/2.8 and Elmar 90/4 both do, but I was wondering if the negative element in the back of the Tele-Elmarit takes care of that problem.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fred_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2018 at 18:57
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

Please stop it Michael, they are too nice, but this year is dedicated to Meyer already. Maybe a Leitz theme next year ?
Good idea Fred, at least then I can participate allthough I'm on the look out for a Meyer as well.

I am really surprised there is no Meyer in your collection yet Pieter, I thought you were just busy and about to blow us away with some great Meyer shots soon!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rovhazman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2018 at 20:02
Originally posted by Micholand Micholand wrote:

Harald, it seems that you mix up the "fat" 'Tele-Elmarit' (built from 1964-1974) superseded by this "thin" 'Tele-Elmarit-M' (built from 1974-1990).

Also the optical scheme of the previous Tele-Elmarit is different: 5 lenses in 3 groups.
And then there is the first version 90mm F2.8 'Elmarit' (1959-1974) as well as latest 'Elmarit-M' 90mm F2.8 (introduced in the 1990s) - sample thread .

Names can be confusing, so I've added a lens pic to visualize and make it more clear which 90mm Leica-M lens this thread is about

I am not sure things are that simple... I have a "thin" version, with serial number dated to 1976 - should be Tele-Elmarit-M. On the lens, however, it says Tele-Elmarit (without the M). And there are small minor differences between the picture of the Tele-Elmarit-M you posted and how my lens actually looks like. I believe my copy is actually Tele-Elmarit-M, but it can be confusing...

Edit: I am adding 2 photos of my copy (sorry for not taking a serious product photo, but only snaps of the lens:
side view:

Top view:


The lens is in bad condition, but you can see that it says Tele-Elmarit, although it has a Tele-Elmarit-M look and serial number.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Micholand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2018 at 18:24
@Shay: The 1973 'thin' version I have has Tele-Elmarit-M printed on the original cardboard whereas on the lens filter ring it says Tele-Elmarit only. Most likely the suffix '-M' was added to distinguish the M-lenses from the R-lenses with the introduction of Leica R3 in mid 1970s.
And yes, also on mine the feet and meter scale is exchanged like on yours, most likely dependent in which market these were sold, APAC or EMEA !? - minor cosmetics

Nevertheless, I meanwhile have adapted this sample thread to also include the "fat" Tele-Elmarit, so now there's one thread for the two 90/2.8 versions of 'Tele-Elmarit' and the other one for the 90/2.8 'Elmarit' lenses.
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Michael, does your Tele-Elmarit 90/2.8 show any dark corners on the A7? My Elmarit 90/2.8 and Elmar 90/4 both do, but I was wondering if the negative element in the back of the Tele-Elmarit takes care of that problem.

Pieter, definitely the old first version Elmarit 90/2.8 (1959-1974) seems to have some problems with dark corners on the a7, especially when focused (close) to infinity, which the Tele-Elmarit-M doesn't exhibit.

Did notice this as well and at first was of the assumption that it was the hood 12575, but then again used the same on the Tele-Elmarit (see snaps above). So most likely it's due to the long tube(!?), because the first version also has issues with flare and low contrast due to light reflection inside the tube - will post some sample shots in the other thread soon, too.

But would need to check this again while shooting both lenses side-by-side under same conditions and settings; my gut feeling at the moment still is that this occurs only when the Elmarit is stopped down and far focused.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2018 at 19:38
Thanks Michael, I just figured out what caused the dark corners and it's one of my adapters. I have two Hawk helicoid adaters, a Mk2 (without infinity lock) and a Mk3 (with infinity lock). The internal diameter of the Mk2 is smaller (36 mm) due to a different design of the helicoid vs. the Mk3 (42 mm) and this causes dark corners with the Mk2 at all apertures and distances of my two 90 mm lenses (Elmar 90/4 and Elmarit 90/2.8), but with the Mk3 there is no problem at all.

Then I tested all my other M-mount lenses (50/40/35 mm) and none of them gave dark corners with the Mk2 adapter.

So it's only the combination of a longer focal length and smaller diameter of the Mk2 that gives dark corners.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Micholand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2018 at 17:36
Pieter, you're spot on with your observation! I can fully confirm that this is due to the smaller diameter of the helicoid adapter in conjunction with the long tube of the Elmarit 90/2.8 and its recessed lens elements. Though no issues with the Tele-Elmarit-M on same helicoid adapter.

Just took a sliding calliper and measured both my LM-adapters. The standard, non helicoid, adapter is fine, but that is to be expected due to the larger diameter of 41,15mm. Whereas my LM helicoid adapter has a diameter of 36,25mm only, which leads to slight corner falloff at wide open apertures and darker corners when stopped down; not really an issue for me, could easily be cropped if necessary - samples here.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2018 at 18:56
Thanks Michael, I just reported the "dark corner" experience in that thread as well, with samples

Indeed a small crop or getting a "Hawk Mk3" or other adapter with a larger throat takes care of the problem
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