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    Posted: 04 December 2018 at 15:57
The thing that makes our fully articulating screen unique is that you can position it at odd angles but it is still lined up with the center of the lens, it makes point and shooting much more intuitive.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Good vloggers are not old fashioned talking heads, they move and interact with their audience.

Also, why should we blame vloggers? They also want swivel screens..... In fact, I think Canon is doing very well with their articulating screens.


I wasn't blaming them - I like to see someone's head while they're talking, if they're speaking their own words at least and not reading from soemthing. IT helps me interpret their words.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by Atom Ant Oz Atom Ant Oz wrote:

think we can blame vloggers who think that the most interesting subject in any scene is their own talking head.


Actually, what I find fascinating is the way that vlogging has adopted the classic 'talking head' as a natural ingredient for efficient information transfer, long after TV documentary makers discouraged it as old-fashioned and elitist, preferring instead to give us the modern version of cinema verite: short punchy soundbites over endless textually-irrelevant shots of poeple walking down corridors and eating in restaurents, 'to keep the images moving' ...


Also the efficiency of the medium does not fully work for me... it can be very useful if they are actually demonstrating something, but otherwise I would much prefer reading or skimming through an article / opinion piece / forum post, than watching someone talk for 10 min before they get to the point.

But that's just me: if left unattended, my 8 yo nephew can spend all day watching talking heads on youtube!
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Also, why should we blame vloggers? They also want swivel screens..... In fact, I think Canon is doing very well with their articulating screens.


I wouldn't blame another group of enthusiast hobbyists (which is how I see myself) but I do wish there were a clearer distinction between stills and video cameras, especially in APS-C. But this is veering off-topic.

The unique feature of the Sony SLT articulation is that the screen flips so that it faces the user (vlogger, selfie taker, etc.) above the camera body. However, this precludes use of an external mic mounted on the flash shoe. Ext. mic + selfie screen = vlogger. Since cameras are now expected to perform both still and video duties in almost equal balance, maybe that's why the Sony SLT articulation mechanism is no longer seen by any camera maker, AFAIK.

The alternative articulation strategy, where the screen flips out on the side of the camera, is compatible with mounting external mics and is indeed seen in some cameras. Why won't Sony (nor Fuji) do that? I can speculate that it's because it looks somewhat "cheap": it messes up a bit too much with the design/dimensions of the camera, and makes it look "toy"-ish. But this is just my deeply subjective opinion.

One more thought on the SLT articulation: my Fuji X-H1 VF/eye-cup sticks out quite a bit from the body, presumably to prevent my face from engaging the touchscreen or simply greasing it up. It's a nice feature, but it also makes the type of hinging used in Sony SLT articulation harder to implement. So maybe touch-screens, and thus prominent VFs, have also contributed to this design's demise.
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Good vloggers are not old fashioned talking heads, they move and interact with their audience.

Also, why should we blame vloggers? They also want swivel screens..... In fact, I think Canon is doing very well with their articulating screens.
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Originally posted by Atom Ant Oz Atom Ant Oz wrote:

think we can blame vloggers who think that the most interesting subject in any scene is their own talking head.


Actually, what I find fascinating is the way that vlogging has adopted the classic 'talking head' as a natural ingredient for efficient information transfer, long after TV documentary makers discouraged it as old-fashioned and elitist, preferring instead to give us the modern version of cinema verite: short punchy soundbites over endless textually-irrelevant shots of poeple walking down corridors and eating in restaurents, 'to keep the images moving' ...
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Battery indicator on top LCD panel.

I'm surprised at the SAR polls that weigh heavily against E-Mount ever getting a top side LCD, as it is typically thought of as redundant and therefor a waste of space. Little appreciation for the always on battery indicator is ever given. It's always on, when camera is on, unlike battery indicator for rear display LCD. This is very advantageous for checking battery without having to touch the camera. Handy for long video clips and time lapse, or just checking in hand without having to press the display button or tilt the camera.

Rear display LCD only shows battery level for a few seconds, and then it disappears until the display button is pressed again. The only way to get "always on" rear display battery indicator is to have the screen programmed to display all info. That's a really messy screen, and I personally refuse to shoot with it overlaid upon my view. I have my camera set to never show it.

AF Range Control with Yellow AF Points.

Am I mistaken in thinking the a7R, and maybe RII did have AF Range Control, and like on A-Mount, it would color the gray AF points to bright yellow color? If so, or not, the feature was not carried over to the a7III or a7RIII, and those cameras are stuck with gray. This is one of the main complaints I hear about E-Mount on many forums. I'm pleased the a99II provides for AF Range Control with yellow AF points. It's very handy for many shooting scenarios.

There are many other things, like multiple front mounted control buttons, and exposure comp dial that can be repurposed, and can reset itself. But I'll leave it there for now.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I do not understand why no e-mount camera has the swivel screen of the SLTs

As suggested above, I think we can blame vloggers who think that the most interesting subject in any scene is their own talking head.* Surely if they are so desperate for validation they could attach external monitors (which would also display a larger image) and then Sony etc could provide properly articulated screens on their mirrorless cameras.

In the meantime, I don't vlog, and I do have my DSLTs.

* To be fair, some vloggers do have something interesting to share.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2018 at 16:19
Originally posted by Jonas A-R Jonas A-R wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

The SLT mirror itself is almost unique ... but the concept has been used in past cameras, although in a different way.


And in the LA-EA4 for the e-mount adaptation
The LA-EA2 and LA-EA4 turn your e-mount camera into an SLT, besides that, it is from after SLT cameras.

I do not understand why no e-mount camera has the swivel screen of the SLT's
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

The SLT mirror itself is almost unique ... but the concept has been used in past cameras, although in a different way.


And in the LA-EA4 for the e-mount adaptation
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I think there is one feature that's totally unique to the SLT line: the specific LCD articulation used in the A77/A77II/A99/A99II. It's the best approach I've seen in any camera, and I'm surprised that even Sony has failed to use it in other models.


+1 on that! I love the articulation on the a77. Amazingly flexible and useful, on all kinds of neck-wringing situations, from macro to astro. Also love that I can flip it over the EVF, for a waist-VF-like experience. And yes, it's been great for selfies (or couplies) too.

Apparently this type of articulation is unpopular with vloggers, who can't flip the screen over and use an external microphone at the same time. That's the major objection I got when I floated the a77 method in another forum polling for articulation styles. It's a limitation entirely irrelevant to me, but maybe that's why newer cameras don't use it.
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SLT uniqueness at its time was of course the constant live view in the EVF with auto focus etc :) (the magnifying function is great as well, I use it constantly for critical focusing).

The comment on the LCD hinge is a good one! The articulation is useful, seems solid while really quite thin.
And the hinge on my small Olympus broke again (its design it more complex, maybe thicker, and with less articulation...).

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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I think there is one feature that's totally unique to the SLT line: the specific LCD articulation used in the A77/A77II/A99/A99II. It's the best approach I've seen in any camera, and I'm surprised that even Sony has failed to use it in other models.
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That's indeed a unique feature of some SLTs. The A55, A57 and A65 have a similar articulated screen which I find very useful.
Even my old Canon Powerhot (300€) had such an articulated screen, which you nowadays don't even get on > 2000€ models (beside A99II) from Sony
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I think there is one feature that's totally unique to the SLT line: the specific LCD articulation used in the A77/A77II/A99/A99II. It's the best approach I've seen in any camera, and I'm surprised that even Sony has failed to use it in other models.

If I had a dollar for every photographer who wished that their screen had the same articulation as my A99ii/A77ii, I could afford a second A99ii.
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