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    Posted: 26 December 2018 at 21:39
hi guys,

have been a long time Sony user but just out of the loop for past few years.

current gear is

Sony A77 Body x 2
Sony A77ii Body
SAL2470Z
SAL85f14Z
Sigma 10-20 f4-5.6 DC
Minolta 70-210 Beercan
Minolta 50 f1.7
Sony HVL-F58AM
Sony HVL-F56AM
VG-C77AM Vertical Grip

have Done quite a number of weddings as secondary income over the past 10years but things have slowed up in recent years (my doing) and have decided to look at selling my gear and scaling back to slightly smaller e mount system for travel and family stuff.

would like to look at recommendations for comparative gear where possible and looking for suggestions as to what I should look at in the new system and what $$ I might be looking at for the swap over (ie could I sell current gear and get a new comparative system for same money. Not looking at 3 new bodies, just the one). I will put separate for sale post once I get to that stage.

thanks for any any help or suggestions.

cheers

chris
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Aps-c e-mount is good enough for family and travel. Cheaper and easy to carry, so always with you. The only piece you still can't have from Sony is vertical grip.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chrisg_75 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2018 at 23:32
Originally posted by Aavo Aavo wrote:

Aps-c e-mount is good enough for family and travel. Cheaper and easy to carry, so always with you. The only piece you still can't have from Sony is vertical grip.


Yeah ok. I probably have in the back of my mind if jobs still came up I would prefer to have a system I could run with to shoot a wedding hence why I was probably leaning towards the E mount full frame and subsequent recommendations to replace the gear I have with equivalent suitable across the board.
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I doubt you will be able to swap over without spending some money - see a couple of other recent threads on the same topic. Secondhand market is not so good for A-mount gear right now.

The kit is easy enough, although there are options if you are interested in larger Sigma lenses.

Best value, super-nice kit at the moment off the top of my head...... (and I am ignoring a lot of Samyang and other third party lenses as I haven't used them).

Tamron 28-75/2.8
Sony 55/1.8 (kind of expensive but so good it is still very good value - Sony 50/1.8 is nice and cheap and Samyang/Rokinon 50/1.4 may be worth looking at)
Sony 85/1.8
Sony 16-35/4 (if you need the wider range, although a Laowa 15/2 may be better if you only occasionally go wide and want a fast lens as well - there are cheaper options too, especially if a fastish 24 will do)
Sony 70-200/4 but only if you need to replace your beercan - otherwise there are more options, especially with adapters, so it is worth researching as the 70-200 is quite expensive (and very good - a big step up from the beercan I guess). Looking at second hand Canon mount stuff with an adapter may be productive, but requires research - not all combinations work equally.

Alternative - will keep you going and is really good kit.

Sony 24-105/4
Sony 28/2
Sony 55/1.8 or 85/1.8

You can use your current flashes with a slightly shaky shoe adapter or (better) off body with a trigger. Lots of good and affordable flash options for e-mount.

You'll be down a lot of money I am afraid, and your lenses can only be adapted with LA-EA4 and in crop mode, which is quite restrictive - probably be better off on the current cameras. Maybe see what you can sell now and spread the cost of the move over a year or so, working with two systems in the meantime.

An APS-C switch will be more affordable (a few more "plenty good enough, reasonably priced" lenses available) but as you probably know you can later switch from full frame to APS-C much more easily than you can move the other way.


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As commented, the market for non-rare A-mount stuff is pretty low at the moment (though not as bad as it is for Canon and Nikon). My suggestion would be to keep most of your A-mount gear and go one of the following ways:

A) One of the smaller E-mount APS-C cameras with an EVF
   The 16-50 power zoom which is small, convenient, and takes good pictures
   Some of the cheap MF primes, or older M42 primes with an adapter, which can be fun.

B) An A7 MI, II, or III (the III has ibis, the I and II are much cheaper)
   One reasonably compact zoom of your chocie.
   One small FF AF prime of your choice (whichever FL equiv you favour)

C) Stay with A mount and get some smaller lighter lenses for it. The DT range are really very good, and quite cheap s/h at the moment. I'd suggest the 35mm f1.8 as a standard lens, and then pick one of the smaller zooms. If you can bear to miss out on a few of the 'extras' you can also pick the A58 camera which is a lot lighter than the A77 I/II. Or even one of the older cameras like the A33.

I think any of these could work for you. I have the A58 anyway, but I went for A, but will probably do B at some point.
My central point here is that if you want to reduce the size and weight for your gear on casual trips, you have to take a hit on perceived quality and capability somewhere. There's more than one way of doing that. Replacing all your gear with E-mount is an expensive option.


Edited by Miranda F - 27 December 2018 at 09:40
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The A7 mark II also has IBIS.

Reading your post, I do not know what kind of photography you want to do. But as you are only APS-C,the APS-C E-mount cameras make sense. If money is no objection, the A6500 makes sense. Lense wise, I would get what I have: 10-18/4 OSS, 35/1.8 OSS and 50/1.8 OSS. Add the 85/1.8 for some extra reach and the 16-70 or 18-135 as a general purpose lens. It is really small set up, much smaller and cheaper then the full frame alternatives.

If yuu still want to do weddings, this is not the perfect set up, but you could always rent.

In you want full frame, I would go A7r2, A7r3 or A7m3 (because of AF) and add the 12-24 or 16-35/4, the Tamron 28-75 and the 70-200/4.

Edit: mentioned the wrong A7 version, corrected it.

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


In you want full frame, I would go A7r2, A7r3 or A7m2 (because of AF)


I may be wrong but if I remember correctly, A7m2 AF is the very same one as on A7m1 (the only major difference, apart from some exterior stuff, is added IBIS).

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Originally posted by sarapata1 sarapata1 wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


In you want full frame, I would go A7r2, A7r3 or A7m2 (because of AF)


I may be wrong but if I remember correctly, A7m2 AF is the very same one as on A7m1 (the only major difference, apart from some exterior stuff, is added IBIS).

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Yes, my bad, that should have been the A7m3 (not A7m2). Will edit my post.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2018 at 15:56
Originally posted by sarapata1 sarapata1 wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


In you want full frame, I would go A7r2, A7r3 or A7m2 (because of AF)


I may be wrong but if I remember correctly, A7m2 AF is the very same one as on A7m1 (the only major difference, apart from some exterior stuff, is added IBIS).

D.

Sony stated the A7II AF was improved 30% and tracking 50% over the A7. The A7II also supports phase-detect AF with adapted lenses. The A7II has a heavier, full alloy body.

Edited by QuietOC - 27 December 2018 at 16:44
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Yes, so they claimed, despite identical sensor. Dpreview mentioned improved AF for the 2 compared to the 1. However, the A7r2 is better according to all information I have. That is why I excluded the mark 2. YMMV, but for me, I would choose one of the cameras I mentioned.

My remarks did not compare the first A7 with the second one.
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As above the A-mount market is pretty poor (been trying to sell my last 2 tamron lenses for a long time) - especially here in Aus
But the older generation E-mount stuff is also pretty cheap.

The A7ii is pretty good value, and sure its not as fast (you dont shoot anything fast motion do you?) but the IQ and IBIS are good.
AF speed is decent.

The A7rii is also at a really good price 2nd hand (I struggled to sell mine for $2k in mint condition with grip and 4x batteries)

The 28mm F2 and the 85mm F1.8 were permanently attached to my E-mount bodies.
The 55mm was also very good.
All 3 of these are lightweight and compact for travel
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I am enjoying Canon lenses (50 F1.8 STM and 85 F1.8 USM) on the A7II adapted with the $150 MC-11. Sony FE lenses so far seem overpriced and/or underperforming. Luckily Sony FE lenses are optional. I didn't mind paying $100 extra for the decent, little FE 28-70 OSS.

Edited by QuietOC - 27 December 2018 at 17:30
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I am enjoying Canon lenses (50 F1.8 STM and 85 F1.8 USM) on the A7II adapted with the $150 MC-11. Sony FE lenses so far seem overpriced and/or underperforming. Luckily Sony FE lenses are optional. I didn't mind paying $100 extra for the decent, little FE 28-70 OSS.


Sony FE lenses are priced in line with the competition and many of them are outstanding.
Why do you think they are overpriced?
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Yes, it is a myth that Sony lenses are expensive. In general, newer lenses are more expensive then older lenses.

Nikon 85/1.8G is 539
Sony 85/1.8 is 649
Canon 85/1.8 is $379

The Canon is an old design, over 25 years (1992), that is why it is cheap.
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