Panasonic Lumix S1 and S1R launched

QuietOC wrote: Looking at how inset the rear element is, I suspect if you remove or modify the rear baffle the FE teleconverters will fit the 70-180.

Did have that thought but I rather some else do it first

addy landzaat wrote: Food for thought: if 180mm is just a small crop of 200mm, and 135mm is a small crop from 135, as is 100mm, why not just use a 24-70/2.8? 200mm is longer then 180mm. The DoF is less. If you see side by side pictures there is a noticeable difference between 200mm and 180mm. However, I think it probably is worth the weight and money savings.

Yep we just need a really sharp 10mm prime and a 1terapixel sensor.

Why stop at 200 mm? I tried a 70-220mm F3.5 briefly. Tamron has a recent 70-210 F4. Canon has a patent for an RF 70-240 F4. Sigam has a 120-300 F2.8 (which supposedly loses a ton of focal length at portrait distances.)

DoF is constant with the same framing and relative aperture. I am in favor of lenses with more depth-of-field, especially when combined with good transmission.

Edited by QuietOC - 12 May 2020 at 19:32

nandbytes wrote: Apart from the inability to use TCs I personally don't see any downsides to 70-180mm.

Looking at how inset the rear element is, I suspect if you remove or modify the rear baffle the FE teleconverters will fit the 70-180.

nandbytes wrote: these days pixels are plenty, just crop in

Agree, the difference is pretty small to start with.

And regarding focus breathing, the 70-180 doesn't have it, the fact other Tamron lenses might have it is irrelevant when evaluating the 70-180. But it grows longer when zooming (about 3 cm I think), that's indeed true but is that really such a significant issue?

You have some very interesting points that I agree my friend. People always say Sony menu is a mess, but they forget how customisable it can be!

Now the good old days when A700 and A900 still rules the simple direct efficient menu is great, but now days with many functions and features it's hard to design a menu system like that. I found Canon's menu system very nice but you are right about customisability lacking behind a bit.

Now touch bar I really haven't played with the EOS R deep or long enough to find how "annoying" it is, it's just, strange to me. As I'm used to the 5D style buttons joystick etc, and btw A mount joystick beats the one the 5D series I think, I can't comment on the ones on the newer 1D bodies as I don't have much experience on those.

I kinda agree with touch screen and not really agreeing the same time, because personally it's not a deal breaker for me not having it nor I hate it, it can be convenient to aid in certain shooting angles I guess but does add the bulk. However touchscreen hmm Canon got that right and Sony nope.

I think most people who jumps into L mount like my friend did are because of video features for sure. The ability to mount AF Leica lenses sure is appealing, but honestly I think the severity of my GAS isn't bad enough to push me over for this reason alone at least Sigma's offering for both E and L mounts is a great addition to both systems at lower cost.

Edited by ColiNiloK - 12 May 2020 at 15:34

As a photographer it seems the best reason to get into the L-mount are the Leica lenses. For the videographer the Panasonic cameras have some specific tools available.

I like how clunky Sony cameras sometimes are. They are really made by technicians and sometimes they forget usefulness. I find the Sony menus deep and I miss that depth with Canon cameras: I can set so much more to my liking with Sony. I can understand they are overwhelming, but they are also very useful.

The Canon EOS R is a really nice camera. It is a well rounded camera. It is a bit like the EOS 650 - a modest start of a new mount.The touchbar was a solution looking for a problem. I do not understand the hate some have for it, I just use it as two buttons. But apart from that and the 3 fps, it is a really nice enthusiasts camera. I miss the fact that I cannot assign a button to switch between the EVF and the screen. I also find the fully articulating screen annoying as it makes the camera almost twice as big and it is not that easy to use if you want to shoot low or overhead. At the same time it is a really nice handling camera.