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    Posted: 11 hours 45 minutes ago at 20:57
Originally posted by wesleysa wesleysa wrote:

If the posts on the 200-600 above related to cars, I'd you were asking for a Merc V12 Bi-turbo Doublecab pick up (that doesn't exist yet but will soon ) that handled like a Lotus Elise :)

These lenses will undoubtedly be great optics but I'm confident they won't perform beyond the realms of physics.

Zoom range sells more than aperture size because it's easier for the guy across the counter to explain that to a potential customer. End of story...

LOL. I don't doubt you're right, though resolution on long tele lenses correlates well with entrance pupil and with cost.
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I have the FE 100-400 and is has some advantages compared to the 200-600: lighter, smaller, faster. It is surprsingly handholdable and IS is so good that getting sharp photos is no problem at all, in fact I have more blurry pics with tripod than without.
But I am tempted by this new monster, as a complement, not a replacement. 600mm is always better than 400.
OTOH, I have the Minolta 400/4.5. I could also get an A77ii, which would give me a 600mm as well, but faster and much cheaper. IQ should be excellent, at least on par with this new lens but AF wouldn't be quite as good of course.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wesleysa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 hours 51 minutes ago at 12:51
If the posts on the 200-600 above related to cars, I'd you were asking for a Merc V12 Bi-turbo Doublecab pick up (that doesn't exist yet but will soon ) that handled like a Lotus Elise :)

These lenses will undoubtedly be great optics but I'm confident they won't perform beyond the realms of physics.

Zoom range sells more than aperture size because it's easier for the guy across the counter to explain that to a potential customer. End of story...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2019 at 08:06
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Tamron has a new 35-150 F2.8-4 VC USD (non SP).

My Sigma APO 50-150 F2.8 EX DC HSM II is much smaller and lighter than my Sigma APO 70-200 F2.8 EX DG OS HSM.


Not come across those two, and your review of the Sigma doesn't encourage me to seek one out!
There does seem to be a step change in Sigma performance around 2009. The 10-20 pair are fantastic lenses.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

If you want a high quality f/2.8 zoom you can get one, but if you want a light high quality lens (irrespective of aperture) you're out of luck. And the responses here proof there is some market for it (even though we have different preferences).

Seems like it. I wouldn't mind so much if f2.8 at the wide end became f4 at the long end, but f5.6 is just slow. With Ibis and decent high-ISO performance it's not a huge issue, but it would be nice to get decent isolation without needing either a big heavy constant-aperture FF zoom or another prime. On A-mount the little 55-200mm Sony is good, staying at f4 up to around 130mm, but that's unusual. Most modern APS-C zooms seem to ramp up to their worst aperture as quickly as possible.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 17:47
If you want a high quality f/2.8 zoom you can get one, but if you want a light high quality lens (irrespective of aperture) you're out of luck. And the responses here proof there is some market for it (even though we have different preferences).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 12:35
Tamron has a new 35-150 F2.8-4 VC USD (non SP).

My Sigma APO 50-150 F2.8 EX DC HSM II is much smaller and lighter than my Sigma APO 70-200 F2.8 EX DG OS HSM. It is smaller than that Tamron too especially when the Tamron is zoomed out. My old 70-150 F3.8 and 50-135 F3.5 zooms have issues that could probably be solved by larger optics.

I personally require a light (<500g) 55-300 F5.6, which is so far missing for E-mount. I don't need it to be faster or optically stabilized. Lighter and more range at both ends would be nice.

Edited by QuietOC - 13 June 2019 at 12:40
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Originally posted by Heidfirst Heidfirst wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I've always been slightly annoyed by the lack of a cheap and compact f2.8-3.5 100-200mm zoom.

On A mount Minolta almost managed it, but the beercan was only f4 and the 80-200APO f2.8 was exotic and heavy. The Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 is lighter and available, but they're all FF. Sony didn't bother at all, and I always felt the APS-C users were treated as second-class citizens who were content with f5.6 at the long end.


Iirc once you hit ~100mm there is essentially no size/weight saving to building an APS-C v FF lens of same qualities. A 200mm/2.8 is always going to need at least a 72mm front element.


That sounds plausible. However an f2.8-4 zoom could be smaller than a constant f2.8 zoom, and would give a more consistent DOF; but there aren't any above 105mm! They all jump straight from f2.8 beasties to f4-5.6 or slower.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Heidfirst Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 11:28
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I've always been slightly annoyed by the lack of a cheap and compact f2.8-3.5 100-200mm zoom.

On A mount Minolta almost managed it, but the beercan was only f4 and the 80-200APO f2.8 was exotic and heavy. The Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 is lighter and available, but they're all FF. Sony didn't bother at all, and I always felt the APS-C users were treated as second-class citizens who were content with f5.6 at the long end.


Iirc once you hit ~100mm there is essentially no size/weight saving to building an APS-C v FF lens of same qualities. A 200mm/2.8 is always going to need at least a 72mm front element.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Thom Hogan on the new lenses, with a side note about a dedicated APS-C telezoom (he thinks a 50-135/2.8-4, I think a 55-200/3.5-4.5).
I agree. Having used comparatively small and cheap (for the time ...) 135mm f2.8 and 200mm f3.5 primes back in the 1970s, I've always been slightly annoyed by the lack of a cheap and compact f2.8-3.5 100-200mm zoom.

On A mount Minolta almost managed it, but the beercan was only f4 and the 80-200APO f2.8 was exotic and heavy. The Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 is lighter and available, but they're all FF. Sony didn't bother at all, and I always felt the APS-C users were treated as second-class citizens who were content with f5.6 at the long end.

To be fair, Minolta did give us a lot of quite small and effective consumer zooms, many of which work well on APS-C, but yes, I'd like a lightweight plastic f2.8 zoom that covered at least 70-200mm on APS-C only, and was priced to sell.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 04:45
Okay, but having two motors is not really important. It is the amount of glass and the strength of the motor that is important. Also, the kind of motor makes a difference: the 100-400 has linear motors, the 200-600 probably a more conventional one. Two motors probably has the least influence.

But in the end we will see.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Why is the lack of dual AF motors a concern? AFAIK the 100-400 has dual motors because the way it focusses. Also, two motors means double the change something goes wrong. So, why the concern?


the concern is... will it be able to track birds in flight as good as the 100-400mm?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 21:41
Why is the lack of dual AF motors a concern? AFAIK the 100-400 has dual motors because the way it focusses. Also, two motors means double the change something goes wrong. So, why the concern?
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

I have a pre order in on the 200-600 and I also have the 100-400. Probably keep both tbh.


I too, preordered it today, but not sure if I'll keep the 100-400mm. It really depends on the performance of the 200-600mm... my only concern is the lack of dual AF motors like the 100-400mm. But I can't justify keeping both.
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