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    Posted: 05 November 2019 at 14:11
Never had any error messages with my a77ii .
I also have the viewfinder ss off .
Steady shot on the exposure bias always on on mine when being used hand held , never had a problem .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2019 at 13:05
So I was testing this the other day. My A77II gets a SteadyShot Error after the system is active for a few seconds. It was alarming. It seems to work again after a power cycle. This might be normal for this model. I did find a lot of complaints about this. I typically have SteadyShutter with shutter disabled. I don't think I've ever had this error before.
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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

The A99ii has 5 axis stabilisation, but how can you tell how many axes are being stablised with any particular lens?


I'd disagree with QuietOc. I'm not convinced that A-mount IBIS does do 4-axis. If it did, it would be beneficial in close-ups and my experience is that it often makes things worse, which to me says that it is not making the right decision based separately on translation and rotation in either axis.
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I've used several of the 75-300s. I like the handling, especially in MF, but it's by far the worst of the Minolta tele-zooms IMHO. Lots of CA and PF, not sharp at the long end, and terrible in close-ups.
If you need 300mm, the 100-300mms are much better (especially the APO), and if you don't the 70-210s are better. The smaller 70-210 f4.5-5.6 is a lovely little lens, and great in close-ups (though some CA as noted above).
But on APS-C the Sony 55-200 and 55-300 are better than all of those, and on FF the Tamron equivalents are good.
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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

The A99ii has 5 axis stabilisation, but how can you tell how many axes are being stablised with any particular lens?

Well, x- and y-axis doesn't matter at infinity focus. It matters the most at minimum focus distance. You could turn on stabilization with shutter. Set the lens manually to MFD. Press shutter halfway and move the camera up/down, left/right while watching the EVF/display.

I have the Sony 50mm F2.8 and the Minolta RS version. The Sony might get stabilized better, but I haven't done any test for this yet.
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The A99ii has 5 axis stabilisation, but how can you tell how many axes are being stablised with any particular lens?
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 22:16
I don't think the color of my 75-300D has much to do with how good it is. It probably keeps it cooler in sunlight. Sometimes the silver lenses are cheaper. This one came to me with a used black 600si.

The fifth axis--rotation doesn't need focus distance. Focus distance information is only needed to add x- and y-axis stabilization to pitch and yaw stabilization.

A-mount digital cameras have probably always had 4-axis stabilization. Konica Minolta talked about focus distance optimizing the stabilization of the 7D. The sensor has always only moved in two directions. The new thing with the A7II was an ability to rotate the sensor for one more axis.

Sony claims a D lens is needed for 5-axis instead of 3-axis on E-mount using the LA-EA adapters (meaning they left a focus encoder out of the LA-EA4?) This is my usage. I am getting 5-axis stabilization with the 75-300D.

A-mount stabilization is murky. I know the A77II and A68 have internal focus encoders (like the 7D) as evidenced by their electronic focus range limiters, so they could have 4-axis stabilization with non-D lenses. The stabilization may still be best with first-party D lenses.

Edited by QuietOC - 03 November 2019 at 22:28
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 21:49
You can, of course, get the 75-300mm D in black as well. It's great advantage is that it is very light (of reasonable importance when backpacking). I didn't know about the D enabling 5 axis stablisation - not that many bodies have it.

I don't think all that much of any of the 75-300s. They can all take a decent picture when the conditions are right, but all let you down at the long end - which is, let's face it, what you would buy one for.

By all accounts the 55-300 is the one to go for if you are shooting ASP-C (as most are) or the 100-300 APO if you can't stretch to the 100-400mm APO. As I haven't tried any of these I can only second neilt3's recomendation to avoid the 100-300mm non APO and disagree with his recomendation to avoid the 100-300mm xi. My xi is streets ahead of all other Minolta xx-300mm zooms I have tried - but it is an xi, not everyone's cup of tea. Needless to say there will be sample variation with lenses of that age, but I seem to have struck lucky.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote sv900 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 21:18
Thank you all for these first answers.
According to these ones it looks that if I decide to buy this lens it will be mainly to have a silver one in my Minolta collection
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jvandegr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 18:18
The sharpness is decent for the price but as has been said, the low contrast is the killer. Images feel dark, flat, and lifeless. Note that this is not an underexposure issue but rather a lack of contrast between tones within an image. Even for those of us who prefer less contrasty lenses, this is not one that I would ever keep in my bag. The Minolta 100-200mm AF f/4 (little Beercan) and Minolta 70-210mm AF f/4 (Beercan) run circles around it. If you don't need 300mm, I strongly recommend sticking with those if you're on a budget. And even if you're not on a budget.

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I am sure they vary a lot. I tried a Sony 75-300 that was awful. My silver 75-300D is very sharp--almost as sharp as my 55-300. It has less CA than the 70-210's, but it does purple fringe. I don't agree with the low contrast comments. That sounds like contamination. It is the zoom I've been using the most on my A7II.

I've had a couple of the original 75-300's one of which was very sharp too, but I didn't like lugging it around. None of these focus breathe like the Sony G zooms. I am sure those vary too. I had a sharp 70-300G SSM II.

The Minolta D lenses get 5-axis stabilization. Sony never added a Lens Compensation profile for the 75-300 or the 24-105.

None of my 100-300 APOs have been very sharp.





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The 75-300 is not a bad lens, but shooting puffins on Scomer convinced me it wasn't good enough... I'd spend a little more and go for a 100-300 APO - close focus is not good, but distance stuff is highly respectable.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 17:02
I have one , the only times it's ever been out with me is if I'm doing something with a high risk of it getting damaged , kayaking for eg .
Typically used on a Dynax 5 film slr , CA isn't really an issue .
Used on digital starting with the 10 megapixel Sony a100 results weren't very good .
CA , low contrast , not especially sharp etc .

If these are the type of uses your after it for , at 35-45 euros at most would be fine . I wouldn't pay 60 .

My main lightweight zoom is the Minolta 100-300mm APO D which i use on film , APSC and full frame digital .
It gives very good results , and prices are much lower now than when I got mine .
Make sure you get the "APO" or "APO D" version , not the non-APO or Zoom Xi versions .
I had a Sony 70-300mm SSM G that I got rid of as it was nowhere near as good as this lens , though the Sony might have been faulty .

If your on APSC then the Sony 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6 seems like the best buy .
They seem to sell for about £130 , so not a huge amount more .
An advantage over the 100-300 is the 55mm start , very handy .
As I've been using my a77ii more than the a900 recently , I'm thinking of getting one for the reason . downside to me though is I can't use it with film , so of limited use .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2019 at 15:45
Originally posted by sv900 sv900 wrote:

The purpose is to have something to throw in the backpack without problems durin hiking.

It works perfectly for that purpose. The problems begin when you mount it on a camera and shoot with it. ;)

Seriously, the only issue is strong CA/purple fringing. Mine was pretty sharp and was a decent performer in other ways.
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