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    Posted: 22 March 2020 at 12:04
That's rough. No pictures of this slow motion car wreck?
 



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What a story Ine! I would be nervous too btw if I had to shoot a wedding. Some 30 years ago since my last go at it..
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Two days before the wedding they told you?
Car broke down?
And then the photographer did not show up?

Wow, that was a disaster!
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Hi Ine, take a bottle of water with you in a separate bag.
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WOW! TYSM, Ivo! really appreciated! and many thanks again to all!!!
I learned a lot!
(don't think stress would approve 'skills' though? ;-)
the broken cable was replaced shortly after it had died, was wondering if I should order a spare one. -and then found a 10m long flash cable I had forgotten about- speaking from experience, Ivo? employed a cat?
(no cats here, the-boy-next-door/my friend cat has moved. :S and my assistent/husband is dead. he was a great assistent though. ).

the wedding was on friday december 13th, 3+ months ago and confession time- I missed it.
absorbed all of your great advice, did LOTS of 'homework', invested E150 in stuff (2nd hand Rogue flashbender + another external disk -a little earlier than planned- to be able to stow away lots of pics), worked on my stress levels (through the roof! ), but when I dropped by the happy couple's house to drop something off, 2 days before the wedding, the bride said: "Oh BTW- I still have to tell you that my brother is 'giving' me a REAL -pls note the capitals! - photographer!" and I was a happy camper!
offered to come along as a 2nd shooter (would have been thrilled to do that, great opportunity), but she said 1 real photographer w/b enough.
(they seriously don't get it?).

happily ever after? sure, but obv. change of plans. 1st of all the vintage Mercedes Benz became a Dodge van, (brakes of the Mercedes failed, ooops?), and the photographer didn't show up.
so the bride's sister in law took pics and made videos. with her cell phone.
saw them later and they were obv. chuffed.
WHAT-was-I-thinking?
preparing for a 'real' and very serious wedding shoot (+ the challenging light of a gloomy -luckily not wet- december day), while they were happy with a couple of very BAD, very 'different', screwed up pics.

again a HUGE THANK YOU y'all for your help!!! really greatly appreciated!!!

about 'homework'- found a series of videos by the SLR Lounge, called 'photographing the bride', on 1 of my disks, great stuff! and brilliant MagMod videos on youtube. (obv. desperately in need of a couple of these long and fragile tripods for the flashguns).

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Angora,

I trust you on this matter. The fact you're a little nervous will help you to do a good job. We all need some kind of stress - after the first good picture is taken, you'll forget about all this.

The best thing you can do now is try out some shooting positions with the flashes and find solutions to the details where you have some doubts about.

Try to find a 2nd photographer or get yourself someone you trust to assist (your husband?). [cats are bad assistants, they'll run away with your flashes]

It's not the time to try to buy new flash/lens equipment - use what you have, what you know best.

For the broken cable look at ebay and marktplaats - maybe you can find a replacement quick enough.
 



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Oh I see. I use Nissin with remote commander. Thanks!
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Originally posted by Dena Dena wrote:

Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

I like the Sony/Minolta wireless flash system simple and effective (as long as you don't use a soft box). I do have a SMDV FlashWave-III Wireless Remote Flash Triggers & Transmitter but I usually leave it in the car. I bring 3 umbrellas - 40 inch white/black reversible, S-Type Bracket Holder with Bowens Mount (holds the flash units better), stands and sand bags (technically they're Weider ankle weights). ).


Can you explain why the umbrellas and not a soft box? I'm trying to learn to use remote flash better. TIA


I use Sony/Minolta flash units aka speed lights. The wireless trigger is a pulse flash from the camera to the receiver in the base of the unit. Most soft box designs block this "line of sight" trigger.

The units lack the power to be effectively used in larger soft boxes at distance.

The umbrellas (as a shoot through) can be positioned out of the way for fill at distance. The Sony HVL-F20AM or M work best as a trigger for the larger units; more power than the built in flashes (more effective in sunlight) and will trigger indoors in the bounce position.
I find umbrellas more versatile than soft boxes. Granted, in a studio with a professional model, PROFOTO B10 Flash head and 48inch soft box some wedding catalog images are possible.
If I was to ditch the Sony/Minolta units I would probably go with a couple of GODOX AD200 units. But I find the Sony's too useful and easy for on and off camera use.

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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

I like the Sony/Minolta wireless flash system simple and effective (as long as you don't use a soft box). I do have a SMDV FlashWave-III Wireless Remote Flash Triggers & Transmitter but I usually leave it in the car. I bring 3 umbrellas - 40 inch white/black reversible, S-Type Bracket Holder with Bowens Mount (holds the flash units better), stands and sand bags (technically they're Weider ankle weights). ).


Can you explain why the umbrellas and not a soft box? I'm trying to learn to use remote flash better. TIA
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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

Still it definitely spoils the pictures of the hired tog of this precise moments that's a given.
I have to say I disagree. I find you can use them as a nice frame for photos - I love a shot with wide aperture of the screen of a phone taking a photo. It captures the experience of many of your guests. Lighting wise I often find it can add illumination in quite a pleasing way, and freeze the action quite well if very dimly lit. Yes, there will be some shots that don't turn out well because of them, but I don't find too many.

The key problem for me with guests taking photos - and something I stress to the couple in advance - is posed and group shots. I recall being a guest at weddings prior to doing weddings professionally and being told not to take photos over the hired 'togs shoulder. But I always assumed it was because the photographer wanted to protect his profit margin, and force me to buy their copy than capture my own. But what you need to convey to guests is that you need everyone in that group shot focused on YOUR camera, no one elses. More than one camera leads to eyes all over the place. So either find a secluded place where that isn't possible, or more realistically, if people are desperate to take their own, set up a turn by turn situation. I take my photo, then all guests (not one by one, that would take forever!) can step in and capture their own. Then onto next group shot.

If you've explained it well to the B+G in advance, they can be your advocates for it as well. Some examples of wondering eyes affecting other wedding photos is always a good aid in that conversation too!

Edited by Tricky01 - 09 March 2020 at 13:34
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Originally posted by djfoxy djfoxy wrote:

Originally posted by Anita Anita wrote:

Ine, the best advice I can give you is to take things as simple as possible. Two camera's with a flash on both is great, not sure about your lenses, but I always work with a 24-70 on one and a 70-200 on the other. And normally I bring a marcolens (for the ring shot) and a lensbaby for the fun.

I work with totally different settings (and they all depend on the light on the particular day, that is why I don't visit venue's before the wedding), but you are not stupid, work your way through it and you will be just fine.

Bring as much memory as you have. Place a new card for every part of the day and if you to go for double safe, with the A99 you can write the file to two cards.

One thing though ... please please please ask the couple to tell their guests NOT to take photo's with any mobile devices during the ceremony. It will spoil your photographs, it will spoil your light.

Have fun!



The fact that the attendees are taking pictures with their mobile phone is a major gripe of Jason Lanier too and I'd say that it should be a gripe for loads of wedding photographers.

OTOH I was attending as a guest 8 or so weddings during the 2 past years and unfortunately that's impossible.

Everybody want to take a video of the entrance of the bride, at least her friends and family that are at the corridor side in the church.
For real it's a disaster for the togs except that it's backups for the couple if the tog isn't delivering good stuff... In a certain way.

Still it definitely spoils the pictures of the hired tog of this precise moments that's a given.

As someone not born with a cell phone in hand, I agree they muck up the scenery. That said, they're the "fashion of the day" for early 21st century wedding's, like nose rings, tattoos and beards.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote djfoxy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2020 at 14:00
Originally posted by Anita Anita wrote:

Ine, the best advice I can give you is to take things as simple as possible. Two camera's with a flash on both is great, not sure about your lenses, but I always work with a 24-70 on one and a 70-200 on the other. And normally I bring a marcolens (for the ring shot) and a lensbaby for the fun.

I work with totally different settings (and they all depend on the light on the particular day, that is why I don't visit venue's before the wedding), but you are not stupid, work your way through it and you will be just fine.

Bring as much memory as you have. Place a new card for every part of the day and if you to go for double safe, with the A99 you can write the file to two cards.

One thing though ... please please please ask the couple to tell their guests NOT to take photo's with any mobile devices during the ceremony. It will spoil your photographs, it will spoil your light.

Have fun!



The fact that the attendees are taking pictures with their mobile phone is a major gripe of Jason Lanier too and I'd say that it should be a gripe for loads of wedding photographers.

OTOH I was attending as a guest 8 or so weddings during the 2 past years and unfortunately that's impossible.

Everybody want to take a video of the entrance of the bride, at least her friends and family that are at the corridor side in the church.
For real it's a disaster for the togs except that it's backups for the couple if the tog isn't delivering good stuff... In a certain way.

Still it definitely spoils the pictures of the hired tog of this precise moments that's a given.
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For lighting I use 2x 600 and 2x AD200 strobes (all TTL). Heavy use of new CZ135. For wedding convenience I use the 28-70 G.

I've recently purchased the Minolta 85 f1.4, 200 f2.8, and STF.   I'm looking forward to getting more portrait practice.
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On the umbrella, yes. For. Outside weddings where the dappled sunlight through the leaves looks pretty but photographs like crap. For inside wedding in penticostal halls and private residents (nothing but potlights). Useful when the ceiiling is roof decking and 15meters up.
On the black thing. My photography retailer labled it a "snoot". Mat rubber. I think it needs to be black and plyable, beyond that have fun.
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