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    Posted: 20 May 2020 at 10:37
Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Looking at how A-mount gear sells on Ebay here downunder right now I might aswell donate it to the Salvo's!
It's either stupidly overpriced (like a $900 A55 kit) or just not moving at all even at good prices (like Joe's SAL 70-200 2.8G).

When demand dries up there isn't a market. For a while there is enough supply to push prices down on the common stuff, then after a while that dries up too.
It's difficult to get a sensible price when the market dries up. We're now finding that with houses.
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Looking at how A-mount gear sells on Ebay here downunder right now I might aswell donate it to the Salvo's!
It's either stupidly overpriced (like a $900 A55 kit) or just not moving at all even at good prices (like Joe's SAL 70-200 2.8G).
If that 70-200 2.8 still is around come tax return time there's a chance I'll snap it up...unless the CFO nixes it
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Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

buggered if I know what I'll do when the time comes in the future and either camera or most used lenses dies?


Bundle it all up and sell it on ebay as "like new"?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2020 at 10:54
Guess for me that would be "more than what I was comfortable with" as I bought a new A99ii here downunder last year.
No other options for A-mount in Australia and doing the maths it was less expensive going A99ii than changing mount...buggered if I know what I'll do when the time comes in the future and either camera or most used lenses dies?
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

So - the question is: How much would you be prepared to pay for a 'new generation' camera body (no lenses etc.)?

The last time I bought a camera that could be described that way was back in 2010. Since then, I'm only prepared to pay considerably less than what the manufacturer/retailer is prepared to accept.

Very well, put, Syber.
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:


So - the question is: How much would you be prepared to pay for a 'new generation' camera body (no lenses etc.)?


Neil, my price would be $0.

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

But something different: is Canon going Leica? They have the M-mount, like Leica. They will have the R5 and R6, like Leica. They ask insanely expensive prices, like Leica.

It's now a commonplace observation that the entire camera market is shrinking, thus every segment of it that remains is targeted to the comparatively small population of pro or enthusiast buyers, and return on investment in new products will be more difficult for manufacturers, meaning product lines must be reduced and prices will inevitably rise.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2020 at 08:38
Thank you all for your explanations. I do agree that a used camera is a better value proposition. That is why all my cameras are used or demos from reliable stores.

At the moment I suffer from GAS. I want a medium format camera, but investing in another system (next to E-mount, A-mount, EF-mount, RF-mount) is just stupid. So, I am looking at an outlet Sony A7rIV (there is one in a reliable store I am eying) - but still expensive. And then I think, I need to go out and take pictures with my FE 16-35/4 and Samyang 45/1.8.

Back on topic. Like I said, the Canon EOS R is nice. The R5 is a headline grabber camera, the R6 probably is the real deal. But if the R5 is around €/£/$5000-6000 how much will the R6 be? If it is the 6D replacement, it should be around €/£/$2000 - but then there is a huge gap in price between the R5 and R6. Basically, I have no clue

But something different: is Canon going Leica? They have the M-mount, like Leica. They will have the R5 and R6, like Leica. They ask insanely expensive prices, like Leica.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Sybersitizen is saying that he is unwilling to pay the full cost (why is unclear).

The reason is it wouldn't be money well spent. My purchase of a 'new generation' camera in 2010 was money well spent because it allowed me to shoot things that were problematic for my previous camera. However, ever since then, I've been able to accomplish the things I want to do with 'old generation' cameras costing much less.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2020 at 23:41
Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

A You know - you only ever 'need' your first camera; almost everything else after that is possibly 'want' I guess.



So true! Perhaps my one exception to this rule was when I was an early A99ii adopter. I always wanted A-mount full frame and the A99 always felt lacking. I *needed* and A99ii !

A99ii still suits me just fine and hits all my needs and exceeds most of my abilities/wants :-)

While I still wonder about a supercam Emount replacement for my trusty A99ii, I'm not sure I need it and my wallet most definitely doesn't want it :-)
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Addy - the point about the phrase 'balanced view' was to hear others opinions, not mine.

And the thread was started just to initiate some healthy and reasoned debate; my view, for what it's worth, is that it seems to be following the path of a lot of items recently (not just cameras) where buy-in costs are excessively high for what seems like small increments for the man in the street. For the Pro's - fine; as mentioned above, they can offset against tax etc. (in those countries that allow such actions) and, hence, they keep ahead of the curve technology-wise.

For us mere mortals, then I too am unprepared to pay those sorts of prices as I neither make money from photography nor do I consider myself as someone who wishes to show that I have the means to buy such an item. Skill? That's a different debate and not for here as far as I'm concerned.

So - personally, I'm not asking people to judge one another for what they purchase - I'm here to view their images, enjoy them and, if possible, add another viewpoint to what I see; that Members on here can take such wonderful and inspiring images on such a diverse range of systems/lenses is a testament to the fact that technology isn't the answer in many cases. Is the R5 an advancement? Probably. But at what price do people value that advancement - that was all I was trying to see from a diverse range of people (as that is what we have in our Membership).

And fair price? What someone is prepared to pay for it I guess. You know - you only ever 'need' your first camera; almost everything else after that is possibly 'want' I guess.

Take care all and, please, stay safe and well - you've all got so much more work and inspiration inside you to share.

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Apart from the performance, there's also an early adopter tax, especially for electronics.
I learned a long time back that pricing of camera gear follows a steep curve and a good bit of it has to do with manufacturing, economics, and engineering. The preference of which point along that curve suits someone is quite a personal call.

Is a Sony FE 70-200G2 twenty five times better than the humble beercan? Or 5 times better than a used Tamron/Sigma 70-200/2.8 (if you insist on comparing the aperture as well)? It depends on whoever is making the decision and their preferences, proclivities, priorities, and fiscal situation.

I'm something of an audiophile as well and recently bought a couple of (used) tower speakers along with a (used) receiver. Paid way less than a quarter of what it would cost to buy the exact same set new. The system pumps out music so beautifully!
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I've been very happy with 2nd hand gear. The 2nd hand market in the Netherlands is very good to excellent in my expirence. Not dirt cheap, but i've picked up some nice glass/body over the last years for about 50% of new price.
My A7iii i was able to buy on my business account (i do some video coaching) which Sony/camerastore offered extra insurance and monthly payment witout intrest. First time a bought a brand new body (just 2 weeks after first introduction of the camera ) Cost 2200euro.
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Such prices only make sense if you earn money with the camera and there will be some write-downs on your yearly tax return. Or - you enter what I would call "Leica-spacce" - money just doesn't count.

I wonder how fast prices will go down for used bodies.

I noticed a strange phenomenon in this regard: the prices for used Fujifilm GFX 50 cameras (50S and 50R). They are now just about half of the current dealer prices, mint condition. I always thought that these bodies also have been preferably bought by professional photographers. Why are so many of these cameras offered in the used markets now? For such a cheap price?

The Canon won't probably take the same path in terms of prices.
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