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I too replaced a geared head with a ball head a year ago (maybe longer, I canít really remember when).
What I love about emount is itís versatility. I can take my 21/2.8, 35/2.8, 55/1,8 lenses for a really compact system which covers a lot of ground for what Iím doing. Or I can go big so to speak for extra speed or reach.
That combined with unreal AF performance is enough that I have not missed an SLR system much at all.
The only thing I struggle with is AF in flash photography where the lens stops down during focus acquisition in conditions where the light does not allow a functional AF system.
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Originally posted by IanC IanC wrote:

An interesting discussion and some points to ponder. Cost is a big issue for me presently and I'll be sticking with the A mount for a little while yet. ...


Yes, the cost is a big hurdle. This isn't like making the break with film with the a900. All my lenses and flashes carried over then. Even with the LA-EAx adapters, the A-mount lenses don't really carry over to the E-mount.

I have (had) quite a nice collection of A-mount lenses, with a good range of classics and G's. It's just I also make (some) money from photography and that was another push to the E-mount. Especially as Sony has pulled the A-mount out of the NZ market. I can't get any upgrades and future repairs are to my mind, less certain.

Edited by wetapunga - 21 August 2020 at 23:26
a77ii- and some Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses.
a7riii- Zeiss Loxia 21mm, Loxia 35mm Loxia 50mm, Loxia 85mm, Voightlander 110mm Macro, Sony 24-105mm, Sigma 100-400mm.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wetapunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2020 at 23:26
Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Ian, I can't recommend the AF 100/f2.8 enough if you're looking for a macro option...
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Yup, I agree.
The Minolta 100mm f2.8 macro is excellent optically and for reliability. Plus gives you the nice 'Minolta' colours. Good copies can be found at bargain prices often.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wetapunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2020 at 23:44
Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

I find this a very interesting discussion - certainly around the 'downsizing' aspects...
I'm likely to continue 'as is' for the moment but these discussions do give an insight into what works for others and how that overlaps with my own demands for photography so it's all relevant and interesting.

Best regards, Neil.


I can certainly say that there have been times when I've been traversing a rockface over a torrent of rushing water, deep in NZ forest, that I've regretted the weight and size of my A-mount setup

Obviously you don't have to downsize. A Sigma 20mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm ART lens-set is going to weigh a lot more and take up more space than more 4 Loxias. But having the option to take a lighter camera, a lighter tripod, and a set of lighter lenses in a smaller bag, is a good option to have. That's the direction I'm going.

Another thing that helps with the downsizing are the zooms. In the good old days, when AF were being developed and introduced to the market, many weren't so good. Their compromises and early design flaws meant that primes were for the most part, better. There were some really poor Minolta zooms in silver barrels...Now, a decent E-mount zoom means for a lot of purposes, you won't need more primes or other zooms to offset their flaws. They're just good over the whole focal range.
a77ii- and some Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses.
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Originally posted by Jonas A-R Jonas A-R wrote:

I too replaced a geared head with a ball head a year ago (maybe longer, I canít really remember when)...


Interesting, yes, the E-mount seems to open up that option to downsize other parts of the kit. By my maths, my tripod was 2.3kg and my geared head 1.22. So about a third of the total weight was at one end. The ballhead is a more balanced 700g. That's half a kg I've stripped from what I carry.

Completely agree on your point on the versatility of the E-mount system. My camera bags aren't swelling and bulging with lenses and other kit!

I'm somewhat pleased Zeiss did releases their Loxia range. They're compact size and despite their all glass and metal construction, still supply a significant weight saving without compromising handling and image quality.

Have you found other ways to downsize with the E-Mount?

Edited by wetapunga - 22 August 2020 at 01:37
a77ii- and some Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses.
a7riii- Zeiss Loxia 21mm, Loxia 35mm Loxia 50mm, Loxia 85mm, Voightlander 110mm Macro, Sony 24-105mm, Sigma 100-400mm.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lonewolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2020 at 16:41
any actual need for 100mm?
FE 85mm 1.8 is light and sharp enough with the a7riii's 42mp that a slight crop is going to realise minimal IQ drop
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wetapunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2020 at 22:48
@lonewolf

Yes, the goal is actually to go above 100mm. I did a review of my photo catalogue landscape photos over the last 5 years, and there's a significant (but small) percentage of shots that needed that longer focal length (100-135mm).

While I could crop an 85mm shot (I've got an 85 Loxia) to get to 100mm, cropping to 135mm is really cutting into the image size, especially when I need photos that can be printed 6 feet across.

A 135mm would be optimal, but most of these are large and heavy. The Batis 135mm is well north of $NZ3000 here and that's not something I can justify for say 10-15% of my landscape catalogue.

Fwiw, I did end up ordering a Voigtlander 110mm APO-Lanthar macro lens. It hasn't arrived yet. But I decided that the lower prices (under $NZ2k), the macro ability and superb image quality would make up for the shorter focal length. But it does sit in the sweet spot for many landscape photos I've taken in the past.


a77ii- and some Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses.
a7riii- Zeiss Loxia 21mm, Loxia 35mm Loxia 50mm, Loxia 85mm, Voightlander 110mm Macro, Sony 24-105mm, Sigma 100-400mm.
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Originally posted by wetapunga wetapunga wrote:

Originally posted by Jonas A-R Jonas A-R wrote:

I too replaced a geared head with a ball head a year ago (maybe longer, I canít really remember when)...


Interesting, yes, the E-mount seems to open up that option to downsize other parts of the kit. By my maths, my tripod was 2.3kg and my geared head 1.22. So about a third of the total weight was at one end. The ballhead is a more balanced 700g. That's half a kg I've stripped from what I carry.

Completely agree on your point on the versatility of the E-mount system. My camera bags aren't swelling and bulging with lenses and other kit!

I'm somewhat pleased Zeiss did releases their Loxia range. They're compact size and despite their all glass and metal construction, still supply a significant weight saving without compromising handling and image quality.

Have you found other ways to downsize with the E-Mount?

I went with the f/4 zooms (12-24, 24-105, 70-200), but otherwise most of my lenses are of the big variety
And I just purchased a used vertical grip. Most of the time I donít mind a bit of heft, I just like to also have the option for a compact system.
a9 a6300 21/2.8 Loxia 35/2.8Z 35/1.4Z 50/1.4Z 55/1.8Z 85/1.4GM 90/2.8G 12-24/4G 24-105/4G 70-200/4G 100-400/4-5.6GM 2x TC
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2020 at 22:40
Originally posted by wetapunga wetapunga wrote:

@lonewolf

A 135mm would be optimal, but most of these are large and heavy. The Batis 135mm is well north of $NZ3000 here and that's not something I can justify for say 10-15% of my landscape catalogue.

Just fit the 85mm f1.8 and switch to crop mode. Instant 135mm, and the DOF is just the same as a 135mm f2.8. Don't tell me you really need all the pixels you lose...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wetapunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2020 at 00:32
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

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Just fit the 85mm f1.8 and switch to crop mode. Instant 135mm, and the DOF is just the same as a 135mm f2.8. Don't tell me you really need all the pixels you lose...


If someone wants to buy a print thatís 72Ē across would you rather have a starting image that is 42MP or 20MP?

While I certainly donít need 42MP for event photography, for landscapes I do begrudge every pixel I lose. Big wall prints are quite profitable. And correspondingly, the quality has to be high.
a77ii- and some Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses.
a7riii- Zeiss Loxia 21mm, Loxia 35mm Loxia 50mm, Loxia 85mm, Voightlander 110mm Macro, Sony 24-105mm, Sigma 100-400mm.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2020 at 07:42
Originally posted by wetapunga wetapunga wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

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Just fit the 85mm f1.8 and switch to crop mode. Instant 135mm, and the DOF is just the same as a 135mm f2.8. Don't tell me you really need all the pixels you lose...


If someone wants to buy a print thatís 72Ē across would you rather have a starting image that is 42MP or 20MP?

While I certainly donít need 42MP for event photography, for landscapes I do begrudge every pixel I lose. Big wall prints are quite profitable. And correspondingly, the quality has to be high.
Well, if you get the A7r4 you get a 28mp APS-C crop and that will allow you to print that picture of 72" across at 240ppi. Not bad

Did you consider the Sony FE 100mm f/2.8 STF GM OSS?
Edit: never mind, missed the fact that you ordered the Voigtlšnder.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wetapunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2020 at 10:03
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

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Well, if you get the A7r4 you get a 28mp APS-C crop and that will allow you to print that picture of 72" across at 240ppi. Not bad

Did you consider the Sony FE 100mm f/2.8 STF GM OSS?
Edit: never mind, missed the fact that you ordered the Voigtlšnder.


Ah, well the a7r3 was on sale earlier this year and the a7r4 wasnít so the cost of those extra MPs became a very expensive option. And I needed some money left over for those lenses...

I did look at the 100mm F2.8 STF but it was a pretty substantial jump in price over the Voigtlšnder. About 60% more. And as I already had an STF lens (in the A-Mount) it didnít add that much to my line up.

Having a native E-Mount Macro lens was also a draw.
The Voigtlšnder turned up today. Itís a bit heavier than I would have preferred, but it works well. It takes steps-down rings without vignetting so I can attach my Sony twin flash with its 55mm adapter easily.



a77ii- and some Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses.
a7riii- Zeiss Loxia 21mm, Loxia 35mm Loxia 50mm, Loxia 85mm, Voightlander 110mm Macro, Sony 24-105mm, Sigma 100-400mm.
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