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    Posted: 28 December 2020 at 20:45
I've been seeing a fair few sub 10k A7 II and A7 R II
... could be video rigs or 2nd bodies

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Hi there, brand new is £1079. Why do you need second hand for £1000?????
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harm vb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 20:26
I'm finding A7rii's here with shuttercounts till 15k for around 1000...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 19:26
It seems unlikely that these will drop from their current pricing for quite some time. I expect the opposite-- that pricing will rise. The A7R2 is back up to $1800 in the US. That was partly why I decided to buy it. I had an offer below the last sale price.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harm vb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 19:14
Nice discussion.

Here my opinion and I haven't decided yet what works right for me.

I started the E-mount with a A7Ri, the 36MP camera. I liked it, however it was too small for my hands, even with a battery grip.
Than I purchased a A7Rii which I liked very well. Started with soms 12k shuttercount, ended with some 18k.
Nevertheless, I changed it for a brandnew A7iii, which is for me a very good camera. Feeling fine in my hand, nice IBIS, eye-AF that I understand to use.

But, it is itching: adding another A7Rii for the pixels and the crop mode, or changing for the newer but more expensive A7Riii. The A7Riv is too much for me, but the 42MP felt very nice.

But, rationally: do I need the extra 18MP? No, but I fear I'm suffering from a little GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome).

In the end I'm looking around for a secondhand A7Rii as a spare, just for tele-use.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 19:04
At the moment I can buy Sony A7 III Brant new for £1319 from Infinity camera or £1445 after £300 pay back from Sony any other shop. I do wonder if I have to wait more for price drop even further?
That is I wonder if Sony A7r II is good deal for 42 MP camera at £1079 brand new??
My Sony A7 (first generation) look obsolete in comparison to those newer cameras!
But The old Sony A7 has one unbeatable feature - is is light and small. When I pair it with Samyang 35mm f/2.8 (pancake) it is pleasure to walk around.
 



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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


re. selling the A7 III before the A7 IV is released is probably because the price of used A7 III cameras will most likely go down. But I Matthew should answer for himself.

I will add that Sony has rather cyclic pricing. Buy on the downswings and sell on the upswings and bodies don't cost much overall.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 16:51
Originally posted by Howard_S Howard_S wrote:

Originally posted by ganchoo ganchoo wrote:

My Minolta AF has 5 pin connectors. I read in Deepreview that you may use IBIS if your lens has 8 pins as for digital cameras. I cannot confirm that as my Sony A7 has no IBIS.
SO BE AWARE when you use A mount lens in E mount body with adapter you must have 8 pins in it.
My old Sigma 105mm f.2.8 macro is with 8 pins. In Minolta lenses there is D at the end to tell you if the lens is for digital cameras and obviously Sony lenses are all with 8 pins.
That's not correct. I have a 5-pin lens (Minolta Af 24-85) and when I mount it on an LA-EA adapter the A7 III camera detects the lens and its focal length and gives IBIS accordingly. I understood the D designation was for distance encoding for flash photography, and not for digital. See the lens glossary here, https://www.dyxum.com/lenses/lens_glossary.asp


That's correct , Howard .
Also it's not true that all Sony A mount lenses have 8 contacts .
Not all do . When they took over from Minolta , some already had 8 contacts , some they added the extra three .
Some they just didn't update and still only have 5 contacts .

It might be that for 5 axis IBIS rather than 3 , it needs the data from a "D" lens .
Even a manual focus lens on a dumb adapter has image stabilization if you enter the focal length correctly .

Edit , I should have refreshed the screen on my phone before quoting you .
Seems it had been cleared up and then some !


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TLDR: 5-pin lenses have IBIS, just not as good as 8-pin lenses. And yes, it can be a reason to upgrade.

@ganchoo: I thought you decided on the A7r2. But you cannot go wrong with either, they're both nice cameras. I think only you can decide whether you want better AF or more pixels.

re. selling the A7 III before the A7 IV is released is probably because the price of used A7 III cameras will most likely go down. But I Matthew should answer for himself.

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Originally posted by Howard_S Howard_S wrote:


Are you saying that there is no Pitch/Yaw correction for 5-pin lenses, just Roll, X and Y?

Yes. There is Sony documentation for that. Only 8-pin A-mount lenses get 5-axis on both the A99II and E-mount cameras.

You can look on the Lens Compatibility site. All the 5-pin lenses say:
"Shake compensation is available with 3-axis(Pitch/Yaw/Roll) by SteadyShot INSIDE."
when you select any of the 5-axis bodies.

Edited by QuietOC - 28 December 2020 at 15:59
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Originally posted by ganchoo ganchoo wrote:

So do you think Sony A7r II is better option?
Why do you want to sell your Sony A7 III?
If that's addressed to me, I'm not selling the A7 III. I don't need an R-level camera. For me the A7 III is the best E-mount camera I have used.
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Originally posted by ganchoo ganchoo wrote:

So do you think Sony A7r II is better option?
Why do you want to sell your Sony A7 III?


how many pixels do you want in your images?
do you print? and if yes, what size? are you wanting to print bigger?

I ruled the A7 R II out as an option for me as I don't crop other than straightening and don't print.
There might also be some video differences in those two models, if video is your thing?
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So do you think Sony A7r II is better option?
Why do you want to sell your Sony A7 III?
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Distance encoding is needed for x- and y-axis stabilization. Basically the camera needs to calculate the subject magnification. X- and Y-axis motion doesn't effect objects at infinity. 5-pin lenses only get 3-axis stabilization the same as you get if you manually enter a focal length. 3-axis stabilization is helpful.


So what's the nuance here? It's 5-axis stabilisation for 8-pin lenses?

I've seen this on DPReview forums from a Sony presentation



Are you saying that there is no Pitch/Yaw correction for 5-pin lenses, just Roll, X and Y?

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