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    Posted: 09 January 2021 at 17:15
Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

If your happy with the a77ii and your after an adapter just so the lenses work the same way on e-mount , why not just get a backup a77ii body ?
Or an a99ii ...

Your asking about current adapters that work on current bodies to replace a camera that might still be working in 5 years , by which point this information is out of date anyway .
As you seem happy now , and aren't seeking to upgrade / improve , just to retain what you already have , just getting a backup , new or used seems the best option to me .

+1 There's a link in the sales section for some A-Mount NOS bodies at reasonable prices. I already stocked up at a discount, so it wasn't for me.
Barring that "click away" and await the next generation of offerings and look again.
You appear to need an a99II, a9 or a7RIV to get an upgrade bounce worthy of your wants and desires but lack the current budget. These camera features may find their way to lower line products in the future.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 16:28
And to add, my plan if I go to the mirrorless would be to eventually either get the Tamron 70-180 2.8 or, if I could afford it (or get a used copy), get the Sony 70-200 2.8. I very rarely use much else.

The only two lenses I use regularly are my 135mm f/2.8 (for hiking with the dogs because it weighs nothing) and my 80-200 f/2.8.

I have a huge variety of lenses that get on the camera only once in a great while. So if I could just get ONE longer f/2.8 zoom for it I'd be good to go for the most part.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

No one else is making adapters for A-mount lenses.
Actually there are also non-Sony A mount to E mount adapters. However, these are dummy ones, so I think these might be useful only for those few fully manual lenses that are available for A mount (some LAOWA models, Lensbabies etc.).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 16:21
I wish I'd be happy with that fps and slow AF! Unfortunately, dogs are my big love for photography and so above all else, speed is important. It definitely limits what cameras I can get.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 15:43
Cool - was worth a double check that you've considered a long term look.

Often people will collect a couple of lenses that do similar things. And sometimes one alternative lens might capture that in a new system.

And I am lucky that even if a lens took 1s to AF and the camera shot at 2fps I'd be happy - I'm single point AF and single frame advance and live in the 28-50mm zone ... but did do the 300mm stuff a while back (in my Dynax 7D and Nikon D200 days). Really (financially) pleased that the A7II was the gateway drug for me
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 15:19
No one else is making adapters for A-mount lenses. Sony wants you to buy more. The LA-EA3 history is a good case. They did a firmware update for the A7II to allow it to focus motorized A-mount lenses with its on-sensor phase-detect using the LA-EA3, but they didn't add that to any other camera including the still popular A6000. The A6000 is otherwise more capable for AF than the A7II.

The A6100 and A6400 have a newer AF system than the A7III. The A7II and A7RII are not very good for AF-C. The A7RIII is not a good option either. It uses the old sensor of the A7RII with its more limited on-sensor phase-detect. Even the A7RIV is not a very good option for AF-C.

My inexpensive solution for burst AF-C is EF lenses with the Metabones IV adapter with the limitation being only the central AF points work. I am using the EF 70-200 F4L and 200 F2.8L and considering a Canon dSLR.

Edited by QuietOC - 09 January 2021 at 15:26
Sony A7III A7RII NEX-5T HVL-F45RM LA-EA3 LA-EA4r MB-IV MC-11 EF-E II TLT ROKR MD-NEX KR-NEX DA-NEX
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 14:58
And to add, the A7ii wouldn't be a great option for me. It only does 5fps and my primary focus is fast moving dogs. The a7riii is probably where I'd have to go for what I need.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 14:56
Oh trust me, if I could make the jump to full frame I 100% would. It's unfortunately a budget thing. If I could, I'd run out and get an a99ii and all of this would be moot!

I would also love native lenses, but there will probably be a transition time where I need to move from one camera to the next and with the way things are going, my best bet is to buy a camera with an adapter that will let me use my current lenses. And then pay that off (because it's GOING to have to be a monthly/pay off over the course of a year thing), and then look to getting a native lens for it. Financial issues mean I can't just buy things outright at this point unfortunately.

(And then hopefully mirrorless E mount is around for a long time so someday I might be able to get a FF body.)

I'm honestly not sure how my lenses would work on other camera brands with an adapter. I know Sony has put out bunches of them for Canon and Nikon, etc. but I'm not sure about other camera brands. I figure that Sony would work harder to make their adapters work for their own A mount to E mount transition (and same for Canon and Nikon). But I don't know. I'm mostly planning on sticking with Sony at this point.

I at least know the possibility is out there and there's also the possibility that new lower-end cameras could come out that would work with the new LA-EA5 adapter. So maybe in a year the landscape will look different. But I know there IS something that I could work toward.

Enjoy your new camera!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 14:38
Also at play here is your format. APS to APS by the looks. And a respected and very usable size it is too. Sony seems to me to have put a LOT of effort into the A7 series (and A9 and now A7C). And some considerable effort in APS which still gets some nice new cameras (at a price).

If you are at a junction - you may wish to consider a format change as well. Note that I'm not suggesting that FF is better than APS. It is a personal, per photographer, per subject type, per budget decision.

One benefit you have to transition is the adaptors (hence your question). Adapter performance and price is a factor. And ex-Canon EF shooters can also play nice with Sony?

But if you are considering an end point that puts you 100% in mirrorless you could consider other systems. Fujifilm XF (APS) for example - it didn't work out for me but might work for you.

I personally do not like the idea of adaptors and will always vote for native mount - but people love adapting. And mirrorless is an adaptors dream!

System changes are hard work but sometimes worth it. I've done Canon FD > Canon EOS (1987-2004), 17 solid years in total (via shop trade in, this was expensive!). Then A-mount (Dynax 7D), then Nikon DX and FX, then to m43 (2005-2020, 15 years with more change but almost all via eBay and much more fun). 4 system changes in 33 years - each change was difficult and each one was worth it.

5 systems now, my A7II arrived this week. It'll be my system for 3-5 years at least. Will happily follow my decade with m43 as a decade in FE mount - but after 5 years in if another system suits me better I'll walk.

eBay is kind to good quality kit. We now get 65-75% of new price as a sales price (minus fees). Compare to the 25-30% you'd be lucky to see at shop trade in. Plus we no longer feed our cameras with expensive film.

Sorry - long reply - timing isn't super urgent - but if the A6600 is the camera you want (?) then maybe wait until it is a little older/cheaper. The A7II price is pretty sweet (if that camera works for you, it did for me).

Edited by dCap - 09 January 2021 at 14:43
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 14:03
Well, there's a lot going on here...LOL

Let's see...to answer some questions:

I'm contemplating options now because the camera is getting up there in age (almost 5 years). My last camera (a580) started having issues when I had it about 4 years. The lens locking mechanism broke. I got it fixed. It had an issue a few months later and I was able to unstick it. It stopped being able to handle the heavier lenses without breaking that mechanism. I still have the body as a backup, but I can't put the 80-200 on it. That was when I bought the a77ii (I actually sold my old Tamron 70-200 to buy it). This one I've had for almost 5 years and it's getting close to 100k of images. It could die this year, or 5 years from now, who knows? So I want to know my options if it keels over.

I'm a planner. I don't want it to suddenly die and then not have an idea of what to do.

I am happy ENOUGH with the a77ii. I don't hate it by any means. But getting a replacement is still pretty pricey for what it is. New they still go for $1200. Used are still not that cheap. If I'm going to spend money, I'd like to get something that's an actual upgrade rather than what I currently have.

Why not the a99ii? I'd LOVE it. But that's still beyond my price range. Even used they're $2200 to 2500. I could get a brand new a6600 for $1000+ less.

I would really love to change to mirrorless as I know that's the future. But I can't do the change all at once, so my thought process is upgrade to a mirrorless camera that will work with my current lenses, pay that off, then start saving for native lenses.
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Yes, as @neil says - my immediate thoughts here are to scout for an additional A77ii camera. Not being familiar enough with the Sony SLT series (I exited shortly after the a100 and returned this week [A7II]).

If that camera does what you want then stick with it. Or similar models up/down the range?

While looking for a new camera system Oct/Nov/Dec 2020 - after a decade+ in m43 - I found a LOT of low frame rate Canon and Nikon pro bodies. I didn't look for any SLT cameras as it isn't something that interested me. But I've seen crazy low frame rate NEX bodies (3k frames) and e.g. Nikon D2Xs with 8,000 frames.

Since the A-mount is pretty much over (nothing new will be released?) you are not necessarily in stuck with your gear or abandoned. There will be a lot of people continuing to shoot that mount. And at the same time a lot of people exiting to go to a mirrorless system. So, my guess is that used lenses will turn a bit more niche and might level off in price ... but the bodies - they will have an end of life. But it could be a longer time before then.

Canon AF seem to have the greatest volume and the prices are silly low. Pentax has a very niche and dedicated following ... and Sony SLT will become an equal to that strange corner of the camera club. Valid toys for people who know what they want.

You will also have some protection in the used value of your A-mount lenses if you doo eventually switch to mirrorless (or exit to another brand). There will continue to be people wanting your lenses - more niche.

In - normal times - the advice would be: visit your local camera store and try your lens on an adaptor on the body in a shop. But well, 2021 hasn't really cancelled out 2020 yet! And might not until 2022?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 10:44
If your happy with the a77ii and your after an adapter just so the lenses work the same way on e-mount , why not just get a backup a77ii body ?
Or an a99ii ...

Your asking about current adapters that work on current bodies to replace a camera that might still be working in 5 years , by which point this information is out of date anyway .
As you seem happy now , and aren't seeking to upgrade / improve , just to retain what you already have , just getting a backup , new or used seems the best option to me .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 04:11
It does look like, per Sony's page, the A6600 has full AF with the LA-EA5 and the old Minolta lenses. I guess at least I know there's some option out there that doesn't involve all new lenses.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 04:05
Originally posted by 2manycamera 2manycamera wrote:

I just put my 100/2.0 Minolta AF onto my a6600 using the LA-EA5. Set to AF-C tracking and HI+. It's dark now so can't really put to a full test, but set focus on a still object and moved myself all around. Tracked, good focus and high speed. Obviously, more testing would be required to say for sure, but all seems good.


That's good to know! The a6600 is perhaps more than I could afford, but it's cheaper than upgrading AND getting new glass. So at least that seems to be some sort of option.

The 11fps it promises would be nice, but I'd be happy with something similar to what I currently have (8fps). It's just that if I'm cut back down to 3fps or so, it's going to be a rough go!
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