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    Posted: 13 January 2021 at 12:27
On pricing - I think that focus of the goal is important then.

I've seen one YouTuber (who has good video, editing, and story telling skills) offer prints on a side project website. The prints are better than I expected but not amazing and the prices are pretty low. Clearly aiming for the volume end. I cannot remember the service but it looked like a print house doing this on a per order basis. From memory they were around the $30-60 mark.

Selling prints isn't something I've ever really considered seriously. I did do it once and it involved quite a lot of effort - plus putting something 'big and flat' in the post was a challenge. I think I rolled it in the end. I didn't enjoy the experience much.

The exclusivity route would be my approach if I did it today (very unlikely to do this though). Limited Edition, one offs. Or signed 1 of 3 or 1 of 7. But that is all about the brand. Less is more. Well, and having an image worth paying for!!

You could decide - I want $1000 per month - one image sale per month - every month - for a year, two years, 5 years. Just one image, one size, a signed edition 1 of 1. No re-prints. That would be pretty amazing.
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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

@nandbytes - interesting set there, and as you say a mix of achievable and difficult.

Have you considered submitting images to an image library? Sure they take a cut but they are doing the hosting and 'marketing' for you - passive income. I think a few of them have 'wanted' lists of types of shots (probably a lot with a focus on 'tech').

As for selling prints / stepping into the fine art zone / yes, this appears to be a lot to do with reputation, perhaps brand, and exclusivity. I've seen people aim far too high (vs the appeal of their image to 'my' eye) and I've seen people aim for the $30 zone and work on volume. It is the 'do you want to sell one image a year at $1,000 or 10x images at $100' - one is gonna be easier to achieve but if you can land in the $1k zone a second sale is more exciting! And then there are limited editions, one offs, signed prints - which I imagine is a tough place to get into.

I've seen a few local cafes (artsy fartsy coffee shops) put 'local artist' photos on the wall, framed, priced, and ready to take-away with your coffee. Then a few months later a different artists work appears. Back when drinking coffee indoors was legal. Could be their sister's images or just someone they know. Will likely be a commission ... but this might be an option. But I've seen gaps on the wall which indicate a sale.


thanks for the ideas

in order...

I am not really into having my images publicised in a digital sense... I am not against it either but its not really something that gets me up in the morning. but the marketing of them I do appreciate especially could help with the second point i.e. selling prints.

I would like to sell one for £1000.... quality over quantity
I agree a lot of it is brand building, uniqueness and also many folks also have good online presence like YouTube and social media perhaps or perhaps also the right contacts and clientele? I wouldn't know where to start to be honest with you but its a nice dream none the less.

I'd happily provide a picture to a artsy coffee shop for free even for displaying it as long they do the printing and they give me the print once they are done with it.

But in all cases I am not after a few pennies per say or commissions here and there. I don't need the money from photography well at least not pocket change. I do enjoy my day job which gives me enough pocket money
If I can make some "big bucks" by selling few prints a year then that's a challenge year or year to be able to produce more. Of course that probably means I'll end up spending all the money I make from selling the prints on trying to get the next best one but that's fine by me. Its not making money or getting rich... its more about the achievement... to say I my prints sell for 4 figures
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Lockdown has also given me a new perspective on the field of street photography (something I've hardly dipped into). I'm seeing my local town (less often, but) in a different light. And I'm keen to record what has been take away from us.

Not hustle/bustle - that has never been my thing.

Street is a complex topic - and there are a couple of established forms that I like, but also a lot (most perhaps) that I don't. It might be this clash of approaches that has kept me away from it.

If I can turn this situation we are in to a positive and come out (when we're let out) eager to shoot a little bit of 'life' on the street then it'll be a turning point for me. Will doubtless take some time though.
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Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

. . . Things I want to photograph
2. closer to home, and theoretically imminently more achievable, I want to get a decent shot of a barn owl that hunts near my home. I've so far only achieved the 'look, I really did see a barn owl' photos, but I want a few 'look at this stunning image of a barn owl' photos. Very much work in progress. I've found where best to stand for the best back lit image, and been out there numerous occasions at dawn and dusk these last 9 months of lockdown, just got to get the darn owl to play ball! . . .

Enjoyed your post (and others from others above). Nice to see the variety.

On this specific point ... I started out (in photography) tracking Roe Deer in 1987. And sometime in 2007 (I think) I got the photo that I'd been trying to capture for 20 years. It represented 20 years of field craft. The day I shot it was a huge moment for me. It was about 5 minutes into what was normally a 2-3 hour wander and wait (never did the hide thing). It was the first day I used a specific bit of Minolta kit.

It was also the day I knew I was 'done' photographing animals. Not in a sad way. It took me a year or more to finally quit and sell up. And I got 3 other keepers afterwards. But after tracking one group of wild deer in one piece of woodland, not in a park, for perhaps 2-3 of their generation I was ready to leave them.

I found that shot on Sunday when organizing my archive and will post it this week as my Alpha archive shot. I also found one of the other 2 keepers. 20 years of photographing them and I consider 4 frames to be worth keeping. Loved every minute of it.

Good luck - and I hope you get your shot 'a little quicker' than me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2021 at 23:57
What a brilliant question dCap. I'm just reading a book on measuring success and (re)learning the importance of setting goals, but never consciously considered them for my photography as it is very much a hobby. I think this should be split into things I want to photograph and things I want to achieve, so we'll go for the former first:

Things I want to photograph
1. the northern lights is top of the list, and a trip to lapland last December (officially for the kids to meet Santa, but partly for dad to take photos) was unfortunately cancelled through covid. It's rebooked for this coming Christmas so hopefully will take place.
2. closer to home, and theoretically imminently more achievable, I want to get a decent shot of a barn owl that hunts near my home. I've so far only achieved the 'look, I really did see a barn owl' photos, but I want a few 'look at this stunning image of a barn owl' photos. Very much work in progress. I've found where best to stand for the best back lit image, and been out there numerous occasions at dawn and dusk these last 9 months of lockdown, just got to get the darn owl to play ball!

Things I want to achieve
1. I produce an annual photobook of family photos, which I get printed three times once completed. On the 18th birthday of each of my two sons they will receive their 18 copies of the family photo albums, plus my wife and I have a copy too. Every year it takes me 6-8 weeks to produce (Going through the 15,000 or so pics across alpha and iPhone pics and curating, dating and describing each page) and it's hard to keep it going, but my main goal is to keep it up for the coming 15 years to have those 18 books ready for each of them.
2. As with most hobbyist photographers, I'd love to have my images published, have someone buy prints of my images and/or have an exhibition of my pics. But aside from snapping and editing, I'm not actually doing anything to progress on any of those fronts. I'm always blown away by the quality of other peoples' work, I guess I just don't think my pics are worthy of the effort of trying to achieve those things yet.
3. In retirement (a long way off yet unfortunately) I'd love to be a photography tutor. Nothing formal or as part of an institution, but perhaps photography walks or similar as an opportunity to impart some of the things I've learned and inspire and help budding photographers of any age to progress their photography journey.
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Photographic ambition? Thhinking about my photographic ambitions would be very frustrating for me, at the moment (too much work - Corona crisis). The earliest point of time to think about them will be the day when I will retire (fortunately not too far off).

I would just like to return to "normal". That would imply:

- get rid of a bookshelf (including the books) in my study - so I have a wall to hang some photos (no, not only my photos - but some of mine as well which I have printed/which I am going to print myself);
- teach another course on photography. I taught one last some summer together with a (professional) photographer friend and enjoyed it immensely (even despite Corona and doing it all online);
- save some time to go out and take photographs (e.g. with my Toyo 45A).

I hope for summer.
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I think about new goals each new year. Last year they were:

1) Start a photo business to sell prints and make portraits.

2) Work on my off camera flash

3) Work on B/W, particularly portraiture

4) work on long exposures on tripod

Did get a business started, but not many sales yet. Only did one portrait session due to the pandemic. Still setting up my site for selling, but have it started. I spent the vast majority of the time preparing my solo exhibit, which was completely unexpected and a huge opportunity that rarely comes along. I was fortunate in that my entry in the photo contest at the museum got the most public votes out of 70 photos displayed. Part of this was the subject, as it is a popular spot seen in a way most have not. I thought I had until 2022 to prepare the exhibit, then the museum had to change schedule and asked if I could do it early this year. Preparing it in 6 months was a challenge. In a kind of mind blowing note, my photo mentor, a very well known and beloved nature photographer in Arkansas, had a solo exhibit at this same museum last year. He has been pro over 40 years. He's winding down his career now. He has some specialized equipment he offered to give me last month and I'm pretty excited about it.

So, my exhibit ready now and the museum has the digital info and is picking up the actual 65 photo display next week. I hope I sell some from this (entire exhibit is for sale) and it opens new doors. Just have to wait and see what happens. In the meantime, it's back to work on the above list again this year.
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Some interesting replies here. My ambition is simply to be a better all round photographer. My plan to achieve this is to get a recognised qualification. Not for the letters after my name as I already have those from studying for my former job, but with the aim of improving my photography. I think it will make me think more about some of my weaker areas of picture taking and get out and about more with my camera (when we're allowed). I'm not retired yet. Possibly a year or two to do yet. I've joined my local camera club and have entered the PDI competitions with little success so far and I'll be having a go at print competitions when the club meets face to face again.

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@nandbytes - interesting set there, and as you say a mix of achievable and difficult.

Have you considered submitting images to an image library? Sure they take a cut but they are doing the hosting and 'marketing' for you - passive income. I think a few of them have 'wanted' lists of types of shots (probably a lot with a focus on 'tech').

As for selling prints / stepping into the fine art zone / yes, this appears to be a lot to do with reputation, perhaps brand, and exclusivity. I've seen people aim far too high (vs the appeal of their image to 'my' eye) and I've seen people aim for the $30 zone and work on volume. It is the 'do you want to sell one image a year at $1,000 or 10x images at $100' - one is gonna be easier to achieve but if you can land in the $1k zone a second sale is more exciting! And then there are limited editions, one offs, signed prints - which I imagine is a tough place to get into.

I've seen a few local cafes (artsy fartsy coffee shops) put 'local artist' photos on the wall, framed, priced, and ready to take-away with your coffee. Then a few months later a different artists work appears. Back when drinking coffee indoors was legal. Could be their sister's images or just someone they know. Will likely be a commission ... but this might be an option. But I've seen gaps on the wall which indicate a sale.
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I'll play....
I have a few ambitions some more achievable than others which is also important to consider but when making ambitions good to aim (a little) high

Set-up a website and "portfolio" - very achievable just need to find the time to do it. this is really for myself just as I do my own printing (which was an ambition I have partly achieved already)

Set-up personal gallery or "photo wall" - also very achievable, just need to buy own house first
This is mostly to share with family and friends plus of course personal enjoyment/satisfaction

Teach photography - not really for money but for the social aspects of it to keep the art alive as it were. For the right student(s) I'd do it for free. Not sure how achievable this is....

Pass it on to my child(ren) - of course depends on their interests... but if they are then this should be easily possible

Sell fine art prints - now this is what I call highly ambitious
If someone is really willing to pay their hard earned cash for your shots in large prints then you've really made it (IMO anyway). its more for the feeling than the money but the money will help too
I am not holding my breath on this one
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Travel to a specific place?
Made me laugh
I was planning a trip to Texas in 2020, maybe in 2022.

I decided to share a film picture every Friday on Insta: #filmfriday.
I also have a project planned to photograph significant (to me) streets, but I would like a website to post the pictures. If anybody has tips for that, I am interested (Squarespace does not offer .nl or .eu sites)


Locations - I've always wanted to see Hong Kong or Japan. Been to mainland China, um, including to Wuhan 21 years ago! Japan would be lovely. A return to Iceland without a work bag would be pretty special too.

- - -

website/portfolio - some of many options to consider:
1$ - WordPress a)dot COM or b) dot ORG
2 - Blogger, free (still a thing?)
3 - Tumblr, free (still a thing?
4$ - SmugMug? [not tried this, but is designed for photographers to make websites]
5$ - type the HTML code yourself and rent a folder on a server

Pros/Cons to each of those - I've dabbled in most of them. Perhaps that is a new topic though?

In a few months time (say June/July) I'm planning to put a couple of really simple 'blank' HTML pages on the net to show how the very few lines of code work. Perhaps a couple of 5x image portfolios to show the navigation too. Will post it in here if there is interest.

Edited by dCap - 11 January 2021 at 21:09
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

My main ambition is just to have fun with photography as a hobby. I am retired with a good enough pension that I don't need and want to make any money from my photography.
That allows me to spend all the time I have for photography on things I like to do. When asked I will make (and have done) photo series of events for organisations, like dance/music performances, exhibitions and corporate events. I promised myself to never do weddings.

In order to maintain focus I will participate in challenges (here on Dyxum and other sites) and develop some projects. Next to that I will also try new techniques and methods (eg. focus stacking, "non gory" HDR, panorama)

The last quest is to become better at creative use of all the techniques I'm trying to learn and make photo's that are better understood and liked by others. This is however hard to measure but it's still a main driver to continue to keep developing and not get stuck in a rut.


Quite a bit of overlap with my 'ambitions', although not yet retired .
Having fun (and clearing my head now and then) are my main drivers.
Shooting for money might put some more pressure and take away part of the fun.
You may have noticed that I tend to make a macorlesn of many lenses I own.
I'll try to do some more landscape nd maybe street shots too.
Would love to do portraits as well, but I have no room (yet) for a 'studio' and finding models is another hurdle to take.


Edit: I signed up but totally forgot the Film challenge for 2020. Still have some film, so need to catch up in 2021!

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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Travel to a specific place?
Made me laugh
I was planning a trip to Texas in 2020, maybe in 2022.

I decided to share a film picture every Friday on Insta: #filmfriday.
I also have a project planned to photograph significant (to me) streets, but I would like a website to post the pictures. If anybody has tips for that, I am interested (Squarespace does not offer .nl or .eu sites)
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My main ambition is just to have fun with photography as a hobby. I am retired with a good enough pension that I don't need and want to make any money from my photography.
That allows me to spend all the time I have for photography on things I like to do. When asked I will make (and have done) photo series of events for organisations, like dance/music performances, exhibitions and corporate events. I promised myself to never do weddings.

In order to maintain focus I will participate in challenges (here on Dyxum and other sites) and develop some projects. Next to that I will also try new techniques and methods (eg. focus stacking, "non gory" HDR, panorama)

The last quest is to become better at creative use of all the techniques I'm trying to learn and make photo's that are better understood and liked by others. This is however hard to measure but it's still a main driver to continue to keep developing and not get stuck in a rut.
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