FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Sony Alpha-1 announcement and follow-up discussion

Page  <1 910111213>
Author
neilt3 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 13 September 2010
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Manchester.U.K
Status: Online
Posts: 2658
Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2021 at 14:14
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Most likely, while playing God Save the Queen


No doubt .
And the Navy boys probably sang along to a different tune , though I'm not sure an HMS Venus was present
see my photostream on flickr;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/
C & C welcome.
 



Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2021 at 14:59
"Picture Information Extractor 7.45 free"

This software is basically good and useful software, but it doesn't seem to support ILCE-1 yet.

This software fails to determine the tag type because it does not support the 9050 tag size changing in ILCE-1 / 7S. What's worse is that it's shortened so it tries to interpret the garbage in the buffer.

As a result, "InternalSerial" is wrong.
Also, Rawfiletype:Lossless is not supported.

And, please add SubSecTime to the list output. This may help to understand the behavior of the camera during continuous shooting.
ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 11548
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2021 at 18:07
Never heard of Picture Information Extractor 7.45 - so, some software does not support a camera that is not even shipping yet in Europe or the US. makes sense, that takes time.

Did google it, you mention it being free, but only the trial is free, it is $29,-
Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
Back to Top
QuietOC View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 February 2015
Country: United States
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Posts: 3221
Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2021 at 18:44
I use the "Picture Information Extractor 7.45 Free." It is basically a Windows GUI for ExifTool. They say, "Unique multicore control provides the fastest possible access to the ExifTool based metadata engine."

ExifTool added ILCE-1 support with version 12.18.

It looks like ExifTool gets installed with PIE in the \Program Files (x86)\Picmeta\PIE folder. Probably just swap the exiftool.exe located there for the current version. I just did it. PIE seems to work fine with the latest version of ExifTool.


Edited by QuietOC - 24 February 2021 at 18:49
Sony A7RII NEX-5T HVL-F45RM LA-EA3 LA-EA4r MB-IV MC-11 EF-E II TLT ROKR MD-NEX KR-NEX DA-NEX
Minolta Maxxum 600si
Pentax Q7 5-15 15-45/2.8 8.5/1.9 11.5/9 AF-P/Q
Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2021 at 21:42
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I use the "Picture Information Extractor 7.45 Free." It is basically a Windows GUI for ExifTool. They say, "Unique multicore control provides the fastest possible access to the ExifTool based metadata engine."

ExifTool added ILCE-1 support with version 12.18.

It looks like ExifTool gets installed with PIE in the \Program Files (x86)\Picmeta\PIE folder. Probably just swap the exiftool.exe located there for the current version. I just did it. PIE seems to work fine with the latest version of ExifTool.

Thank you!

According to the exiftools documentation, this change is from 7SIII, so it's been about four months ago.

Consistent with the results of my own program, exififd.
It was good to compare with exiftools from the beginning.

By the way, my own program has been supporting SubSectTime listing for over 10 years. I noticed that SubSecTime was written in ILCE-1, and going back, it seems that it was implemented from 9II.

My program has been poorly maintained for over 20 years and is very unpublishable.
However, I want SubSecTime data for continuous shooting.

Does anyone know of good publicly available software recommended by others?

PIE displays SubSecTime individually but doesn't list them, so it's hard to ask someone else to get the data.

The easiest thing to do is to go to the Sony store in Ginza to get the data myself, but I can't because it's a damn virus and I need more than just curiosity to cross the prefectural border.

EDIT:
It is an hour by train from Yokohama to Ginza, but there is a prefectural border between them.

Edited by gigo - 24 February 2021 at 21:48
ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
JosR View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 21 August 2007
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 103
Post Options Post Options   Quote JosR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2021 at 09:43
Originally posted by gigo gigo wrote:

By the way, my own program has been supporting SubSectTime listing for over 10 years. I noticed that SubSecTime was written in ILCE-1, and going back, it seems that it was implemented from 9II.

My program has been poorly maintained for over 20 years and is very unpublishable.
However, I want SubSecTime data for continuous shooting.

@gigo:
As apparently you/your program knows where these subsectimes are stored, could you provide the tag/offset at which they are to be found? Then I'm sure Exiftool will be able to output these in one of the next releases.
It is indeed useful information to have, especially for continuous shooting bursts.
DSLR-A850/ILCA-77M2 + SAL1680Z/SAL2875/SAL70300G/SAL70400G2, Minolta 24-105/100-400 APO/100F2.8 Macro D/17-35F2.8-4, Sigma 10-20F3.5
ILCE-7RM4 + SEL2470Z/SEL100400GM/LA-EA3
 



Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2021 at 14:33
SubSecTime is in exififd. Since it is a regular exif tag, not a manufacturer-specific one, there is a definition in the exif standard.

SubSecTime: 37520 (9290.H)

Contains the time in ms as a character string.
There are three types of SubsecTime, but ILCE-1 seems to have the same value.

ex.
DSC09638.ARW in DPReview sample(dog face)

SubSecTime        : "513" (ms)
SubSecTimeOriginal: "513" (ms)
SubSecTimeDigitized: "513" (ms)

DateTimeOriginal : "2021:02:17 17:03:01"
-> "2021:02:17 17:03:01.513"

EDIT:
ms: mili second. 1/1000Sec.

Edited by gigo - 25 February 2021 at 14:39
ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
JosR View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 21 August 2007
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 103
Post Options Post Options   Quote JosR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2021 at 15:15
OK, Thanks.

So if I understand correctly:
it is only the ILCE-9M2, ILCE-7C, ILCE-7SM3 and ILCE-1 that output this SubSecTimes in the standard EXIF tags
and none of the older Sony cameras provides this SubSecTime information, not in EXIF and not in the Sony Makernotes.
DSLR-A850/ILCA-77M2 + SAL1680Z/SAL2875/SAL70300G/SAL70400G2, Minolta 24-105/100-400 APO/100F2.8 Macro D/17-35F2.8-4, Sigma 10-20F3.5
ILCE-7RM4 + SEL2470Z/SEL100400GM/LA-EA3
Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2021 at 15:46
Originally posted by JosR JosR wrote:

OK, Thanks.

So if I understand correctly:
it is only the ILCE-9M2, ILCE-7C, ILCE-7SM3 and ILCE-1 that output this SubSecTimes in the standard EXIF tags
and none of the older Sony cameras provides this SubSecTime information, not in EXIF and not in the Sony Makernotes.

It is uncertain whether subsec does not exist in the MakerNote of the conventional model. It may just not be found. Other than that, it is the same recognition as me.

Since SubsecTime tag is not a MakerNote, it seems that it often remains even if it is edited.
ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 March 2021 at 12:30
Up to 3 types of thumbnails are included in the 1/7sIII RAW file.

1) 160 x 120 Almost 9KB.(ifd1)
2)1616 x 1080 300-700KB.

3)8540 x 5760 <- New! RAW File only. (7sIII, 4240x2832)
This is in a new ifd(2?) linked from ifd1.

The sample picked up on the net is about 4-8MB. It is unclear what the JPG image quality corresponds to and whether it changes depending on the settings.

ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2021 at 12:45
I was taught how to list any item in PIE.

-Right-click the item and select Add to "My Tags".

(Select the file you want to list)

-Select MetaData-> Genarate Report ... from the menu.
-Select the check box of the item added to My Tags.
-Click the OK button.

Although it is not during continuous shooting, some examples of sample data on the net,

Create Date, Sub Sec Create Date
.. 14:05:00 557
.. 14:05:02 940 <-2.383s difference

.. 14:05:20 028
.. 14:05:22 974 <-2.946s difference

If it is 30fps, it should be around 33ms difference. AF settings etc. should be recorded in exif, so it will be useful for understanding the operation of the camera.
ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
JosR View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 21 August 2007
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 103
Post Options Post Options   Quote JosR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2021 at 14:07
Yes, 33-34 ms between shots:
From a continuous shooting burst with 30fps and with the SEL400F28GM:
https://www.cameraland.nl/blog/review-sony-a1
Sequence Number    Date Time Original      Sub Sec Time
07                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     069 069 069
08                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     102 102 102
09                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     136 136 136
10                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     169 169 169
11                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     203 203 203
12                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     236 236 236
13                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     269 269 269
14                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     303 303 303
15                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     336 336 336
16                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     369 369 369
17                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     403 403 403
18                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     436 436 436

31                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     870 870 870
32                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     903 903 903
33                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     937 937 937
34                 2021:02:06 13:39:00     970 970 970
35                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     003 003 003
36                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     037 037 037

43                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     270 270 270
44                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     304 304 304
45                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     337 337 337
46                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     370 370 370
47                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     404 404 404
48                 2021:02:06 13:39:01     437 437 437


Edited by JosR - 02 March 2021 at 14:37
DSLR-A850/ILCA-77M2 + SAL1680Z/SAL2875/SAL70300G/SAL70400G2, Minolta 24-105/100-400 APO/100F2.8 Macro D/17-35F2.8-4, Sigma 10-20F3.5
ILCE-7RM4 + SEL2470Z/SEL100400GM/LA-EA3
Back to Top
gigo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 March 2008
Country: Japan
Location: Yokohama
Status: Offline
Posts: 348
Post Options Post Options   Quote gigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2021 at 15:10
Originally posted by JosR JosR wrote:

Yes, 33-34 ms between shots:
From a continuous shooting burst with 30fps and with the SEL400F28GM:

Thank you, I'm going to sleep well tonight.
ILCE-1, FE:24/35/STF/135/10400GM, 90M/24105/200600G+6, 1.4x/2xTC
ILCE-QX1, Full Sprctrum NEX-5R, E:2
LA-EA5, A:35G/100S/200M/500R,3x-1x +7
Back to Top
Tricky01 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 08 September 2010
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Woodley, Berks.
Status: Offline
Posts: 3023
Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2021 at 15:50
Is it possible to change the name of this thread? Every time I visit Dyxum I think there's a new announcement but it's the same old post with a new reply
website
A7iii, 12f2.8, 15f2, 16-35f4, 35f1.8, 50 1.8, 85f1.8, 135f1.8GM, 100-400GM, 1.4xTC // A mount: Sig90f2.8 and Sig180f3.5 Macros
Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Equipment forums > Camera Talk > E-mount full frame Page  <1 910111213>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the alpha system photographer

In memory of Cameron Hill - brettania

Feel free to contact us if needed.