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    Posted: 11 May 2021 at 14:51

I am faithfully using my old Maxxum/Dynax 5D, but have never managed to achieve a good folder naming procedure.

Standard folder format renders (in my view) very anonymous folder/file names, e.g. 100KM028 pluss PICT1234.MRW. The folder 100KM028 may contain 9999 files and changes in due time to 101KM028... and so forth. I adhered to this (Standard?) routine for a long time.

I have found it better to use the Date form (e.g. 100YMMDD (10010511). Each folder contains just images shot on a particular day, a new folder each day. But when starting with a new and empty/formatted card, folder naming starts anew with 100YMMDD, in my experience resulting in a mix of folders and files (e.g.15010510, 10010511). Albeit, with file nameing set to ON, file numbers are kept in a right increasing order from card to card.

I would be grateful to receive some guidance on to how to perform a good folder naming procedure with this (early) KM system.
 



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I use a number of Minolta digital cameras , the Dynax 7d , Dimage A2 & A200 , the Dimage RD3000 , but I import all my images with Lightroom 5 ( the stand-alone programme , not CC ) and it files everything by date order .
I don't use key words or ratings .
This works for me , as when I'm looking for an image , I know roughly when it was taken .

I'm not sure if this helps you at all though ?
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I also use Lightroom (last perpetual version 6.14) and upon import I let Lightroom deposit the files in my own "simplistic" file tree system.

First level: by year (folder names: 20XX)

Second level: by camera (folder names: KM5D, A700, A7ii, ......)

Third level: by month (folder names: "month #"_"camera", so for instance for feb: 02_KM5D.


I've now used this folder/naming method since I started digital with a KM5D in 2006 and for me it still works well. In the beginning, when lightroom couldn't flexibly put the files in the right place on import I just copied them from the card/camera into the folder structure and imported into lightroom from there. However after Lightroom became flexible enough to directly put the files where I want them I do it all in one step when importing from the card/camera.

Also when I import the files I rename them to include a date at the end but also use the file number (00000-09999) and the camera used in the renamed string. On all my cameras I use the "series" numbering. Since I never shoot 10.000 photo's with a camera on a given day all file names created this way are unique. (...-A7ii-X-0####-YYYYMMDD) where X is the number of times the camera counter resets after file 09999 to 00001 and 0#### is the camera generated number.

This all works for me, but I'm sure there are other (maybe better) methods but once I started this way I see no incentive for me to change.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BjornE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2021 at 17:32
It is always useful to learn how other people do things, more or less relevant to the matter in question.

My concern is more about how you name your files. As to my Maxxum 5D there is, as I said, a choice between so called Standard folder names and a so called Date form. I prefer the latter, partly because of the stated time of shooting, e.g. 10210511 (folder number 102 followed by the actual shooting year, month and day, in this example today's date). Then follows the rest of the full file name, e.g. PICT4890.MRW (10210511-PICT4890). The whole file name consists of two main components, the folder name and the image number. This makes it easier to keep track of files.

As I said, import from the camera is being governed by what is found on the memory cards, (e.g.101KM028-PICT2647.MRW, 16180521-PICT1502.MRW, 10810203-PICT0933.MRW). I find it cumbersome to create a well organized archive out of this. My main concern is: How to secure/store images in an easy and right way/chronological order?

I do not import to the (Mac's )hard drive, rather to an external hard drive and in the form created by the 5D. On the same hard drive I have Lightroom Classic (and catalog) and import wanted files into LR. I used to have LR 6 earlier.

Keywording is a different thing, very useful in finding images.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BjornE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2021 at 20:31
Thank you pegelli! Very useful information. Some manual interference in the process apparently is necessary.

I also, out of the naming mess have been forced to interfere manually, importing into folders created by me, 2006, 2007... 2021 (onto an external HD). But there is more to it.

I now prefer using the Date form because it right away gives one piece of important information that I want, right (time) chronology,
29900721-PICT1234.MRW, -PICT1235.MRW
30000722-PICT1236.MRW, -PICT1237.MRW etc

compared to the Standard form (KM default),
102KM028-PICT1234.MRW, -PICT1235-MRW
102KM028-PICT1236-MRW, -PICT1237.MRW, etc
Such file names are telling me next to nothing. When were these pictures taken?

I am trying to figure out how to impose some control, if possible, over memory card file name creating. I think I am remembering right when saying that each new (formatted) card inserted in the camera starts counting folders at 100.., File names on the other hand, are correctly created in an increasing order from the former card (with ON selected in the camera setup menu).

My concern today: Does it exist any possiblity to tell the camera Maxxum/Dynax 5D to start naming folders automatically right with increasing numbers (100, 101, 103... etc) i.e. consecutively from the last filled up card?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hezu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2021 at 11:32
I have been using the date format in all my KM/Sony cameras and then once upon a time I created a Perl script to do the file transfer from cards to date folders. I mean rename the first three numbers of the folder name camera created, so I get proper years in the folder names on computer.
I have included into the script some magic to handle duplicate file names, although these days there is less need for that since the newer cameras allow to change the three first letters of the image files so that there is no conflict between files from different cameras creating the same filename and the chance that I would shoot 10000 or more photos with one camera within a day is pretty slim.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote BjornE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2021 at 13:55
What I am missing is a possibility of automatic numbering of the first three figures of the file name (100...) to get files in the right (chroinological) order. I find it hard understand why such a feature was overlooked by Minolta. In my opinion folder names based on a date indication, i.e. starting with a date instead of ending with it (10010512), would be an obvious preference.

You have solved this in a clever way by creating a Perl script. As I know next to nothing about any kind of programming, I have been trying to find my own way. For me to reach folder number 999 would have taken some time... I am instead copying the last folder from a full card onto an empty card. The camera then start numbering new picture folders consecutively on this new card. A very homemade solution, but it works better for me than having every empty card start with 100xxx....

You have managed to do this in a much better way by ordering the camera to start numbering with the appropriate year (with three figures? say, 019, 020, 021 etc?)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxxumator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2021 at 19:20
Originally posted by BjornE BjornE wrote:

What I am missing is a possibility of automatic numbering of the first three figures of the file name (100...) to get files in the right (chronological) order.

You may try handy and powerful batch renaming options of Irfanview, freeware for personal use.

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I was not aware of Irfanview, and I have just looked around a little. The program primarely was created for Windows, but as it seems a version for MacOS now should be available, though possibly requiring some additional plugin. Links to several alternatives are mentioned, among them the well known GraphicConverter.

I want to thank you for your mention of Irfanview, evidently a well reputed program interestingly also called a photographic Swiss Army Knife. I will be looking more into this possible way of easing my file name concern.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxxumator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2021 at 21:53
I love the speedy Irfanview using it a lot as the default picture viewer as well as for batch conversion/rename, loosless crop/rotation/mirroring, framing, common scanning etc.

Unfortunately there is still no Mac version, just a few probable alternatives here: https://formac.informer.com/irfanview
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