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    Posted: 01 November 2021 at 22:48
I keep finding that Real-time tracking AF is not working that well on my RIV. I wonder if or how much this new camera would be better.

I used the A77II yesterday with the Sony 70-300 G SSM II, and that combination seemed to do well in AF-C at 8 FPS. It is too bad it does not have live-view at that rate.
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Our friend Gustav (AKA IJsvogel) did a webinar on the A7 IV (in Dutch).

First part is about his nature photography on Helgoland (nice place for a DM? ), the second part is about the A7 IV specifically.
If you pre-order a camera through the organising camara store of this webinar this week, Gustav will provide a personal explanation when you collect the camera.

Here is the recording of the webinar.

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The body I liked most was the A7, except for the weird placement of the exposure button. The A7ii and A7Rii I use now are fine but I mostly use small manual lenses so that is in line with what Addy says.

And with bigger lenses I support the system by holding the lens anyway, so I really don't need (or want) a bigger body or bigger grip to hold it better, but that shows that ergonomics is very personal, so it's best to hold the system you intend to use in real life before buying if you can.
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The A7r4 probably also is out of your price range - but that one also is like the new body. You have to wait until they store the A7IV I guess.

The difference between the A7r2 and A7r4 is big. I didn't mind the A7r2 for use with small lenses, but the A7r4 has a much better grip that will help with heavier lenses. Try it before you dismiss it.
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A7, A7II, A7RII; no joy.
The A9II and A1 look very nice on line. Way out of my price range and not stocked at my local camera store. Not surprising really. There are no Ferrari dealerships around here either.
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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

I'm sorry to hear that. I never liked the A7.
Which one? There is a huge difference between the different versions. This seems comparable to the A7r4/A1/A7s3.
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Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

It has a lot that I like. The button and dial laden right top plate with a barren left is interesting. I would like to hold the camera because that thumb rest looks cramped.
Yesterday I had a chance to hold this new camera, but I can report the grip felt pretty similar to other α7 series (and α1).

I'm sorry to hear that. I never liked the A7. The most comfortable camera I've ever held is the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk II. The least comfortable camera I've ever held is the Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mk II. The rear of the A7IV looks a lot like the E-M5II with all the controls jammed into the right of the EVF.
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The following video explains 50 differences between A7III and A7IV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYaRmHmsvRM
In the text below the video, there is a list of those 50 topics. I quote:

Chapters
00:00 Hello!
00:13 #1 Cohesive Design
00:30 #2 Look & Feel
00:54 #3 Buttons
01:17 #4 Different Dials
01:50 #5 Better Port Doors
02:11 #6 Shutter Can Close!
02:24 #7 Strap Rings
02:38 #8 Memory Slots
03:12 #9 Better Heat Dissipation
03:31 #10 Increased EVF & LCD Resolution
03:56 #11 Flip Out Screen
04:08 #12 Touch Display
04:24 #13 New Menu
04:37 #14 Separate Photo Video Settings
05:20 #15 Save / Load Settings
05:31 #16 Screen Reader?!
06:01 #17 Better Video File Names
06:34 #18 More Ways to Find Photos?
07:09 #19 Divider Frame
07:33 #20 Scene Marker!
08:01 #21 Bulk Wireless Transfer
08:22 #22 No More NFC
08:38 #23 MORE AF POINTS!
08:50 #24 Real Time Tracking AF
09:28 #25 Animal & Bird Eye AF in VIDEO MODE?!
09:34 #26 Focus Options Limiter!
10:11 #27 Soft Skin Effect
10:19 #28 Overall Colors
10:30 #29 More Creative Looks Control
10:45 #30 Cinetone Profile
11:02 #31 SLOG3 Expandable ISO
11:18 #32 Megapixel Upgrade
11:32 #33 New File Types
12:06 #34 Shutter Type
12:19 #35 Increased Buffer
12:45 #36 4K Quality
13:07 #37 4K 60P
13:33 #38 Video Codecs & Bit Rate
14:25 #39 S&Q is it better?
14:47 #40 Proxy Recording
15:03 #41 Stabilization
15:14 #42 Flexible Exposure
15:38 #43 Focus Breathing Comp
16:07 #44 External Monitor Usage
16:43 #45 AF Speed & Sensitvity
16:54 #46 Focus Mapping
17:25 #47 No Recording Limit
17:40 #48 Gyro Metadata
17:59 #49 4CH Audio Recording + New MI Hotshoe
18:19 #50 Built-in Webcam Capability
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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

It has a lot that I like. The button and dial laden right top plate with a barren left is interesting. I would like to hold the camera because that thumb rest looks cramped.
Yesterday I had a chance to hold this new camera (and even to take couple photos with it, albeit currently I am struggling to view those since I foolishly forgot to check the file formats, which was RAW+HEIF ) at Finnish Nature Photograph of the Year event at Finlandia Hall and I have a picture to confirm this:



Of course here I'm holding the lens (Sony FE 2.8/70-200 GM OSS II, btw ) since I'm operating my own camera with the right hand, but I can report the grip felt pretty similar to other α7 series (and α1).
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:




For those who want a more photography oriented camera, the A9 II and A7rIV are photocentric, this is a hybrid camera. Also, what do you need? What are you missing for photography?

It has a lot that I like. The button and dial laden right top plate with a barren left is interesting. I would like to hold the camera because that thumb rest looks cramped.
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Or, when you're taking a landscape and a rare breed of bird shows up, you simply move from your landscape number to your wildlife number.
And I used it with weddings to switch between flash and non-flash photography.
Very useful. And the placement makes sense, if you do it elsewhere your control and setting are out of sync.

Anyway, seeing more videos I noticed that there are a lot of small improvements, a lot for video, but also a lot for photography.

For those who want a more photography oriented camera, the A9 II and A7rIV are photocentric, this is a hybrid camera. Also, what do you need? What are you missing for photography?
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Someone will make a sticker for the exposure compensation marking.

I like that movie and S&Q are on a separate control. Those never made any sense. I haven't ever used the number settings on the mode dial. Still way too much clutter for a control for me. A simple A-S switch is all I want.


For what it is worth, I do like the number settings. It's easier to flip between your stills-photography settings and video-settings. Especially because if you change some settings for your video, they're preserved when you flip back to stills.

I can be taking pics, then want to record some video clips. All I have to do is select the preset number button. All the settings, picture-profiles etc get loaded in one go. And everything foes back to how I was shooting when I switch back.
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Someone will make a sticker for the exposure compensation marking.

I like that movie and S&Q are on a separate control. Those never made any sense. I haven't ever used the number settings on the mode dial. Still way too much clutter for a control for me. A simple A-S switch is all I want.
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There are a lot of options about.

This seems to have a focus upgrade compared to the A9 and A7R4, not that the A9 is bad, so that would be good. However, I am unsure how much better it is. The bird eye af is a nice addition. From what I understand the A7R4 has the same issue as the A6600 and wont allow focus tracking with animal eye-af. The A74 seems to have fixed this. Good.

The buffer, although headlines at 830 raw + jpeg, actually doesn't do that unless you use the cfexpress-a card on its own. If you use an SD or Cfexpress and SD then it is closer to 50, not bad but hardly exciting.

There are a lot of upgrades for video, but since that is not my thing I don't feel qualified to comment.

Personally I would prefer a camera more stills orientated, but given a falling camera market I can see why this needs the video capability as it can appeal to both stills and video users.

Not sure I like the flip screen. I can see the advantages in some circumstances, but it is slower to deploy, at least for stills. For video it is a different story. Similarly I would have prefered to retain the dedicated ev compensation wheel with the markings. Not sure how having a programable one with no markings is better as I use the ev compensation wheel a lot.

It will be interesting to see what comes next.
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